31 October 2003 BGS Newsletter Issue 64
Welcome to the sixty-fourth edition of the Borley Ghost Society Newsletter. The Society celebrates five years today! Happy Halloween!

Borley Ghost Society Church Preservation Fund

The Borley Ghost Society Church Preservation Fund was established 28 May 2001. In July of that year, Birgit Brenner was the first to contribute - she sent £60 to Revd. Captain Brian A. Sampson. $20 was sent by the BGS in September, and $40 in November 2001. No official records of donations have been kept, but Capt. Sampson has written to say, "I have been getting the new Treasurer to look back into the Accounts and we have received a . . . . a mixture of dollars and notes since 2001. To this we have to add £25 recently received from Eddie Brazil and $10 from your good self. There is another $70 which I think came from you earlier. . . . £208 is an excellent result - thank you so much. We are saving for roof repairs at the moment. However, the repairs on the roof of another church I look after came to £23,000 last year, so you can see it is a hard slog to raise the funds for that sort of work - and that was only the roof on Pentlow Church Tower! Thank you so much for your help. We need more friends like you! - Brian Sampson

Alan Wesencraft to receive Harry Price Award

I am pleased to announce that this years Washington State Ghost Society's Harry Price Award is being presented to Mr. Alan Wesencraft, for his outstanding contributions to paranormal research. The award is accompanied by a plaque . . . .Thank you for your assistance and with best personal regards, Frank Johnson, President, Washington State Ghost Society

Eddie Brazil photos receive recognition

Hi Eddie, My name is Jude and I work for a regional publication in Essex, UK, called The Enquirer. A couple of colleagues will be paying a visit to Borley this week-end with a trained medium to write a feature on Borley. We came across your email address on www.borleyrectory.com and I was hoping you'd be able to email me the pictures accompanying your article. We'd credit the pic to you - as well as inserting a number for the Borley Ghost Society in the actual editorial. . . . . The pics we need are of the the int of Borley church showing the Waldgrave Tomb and the grave of Henry Bull. . . . .Sincerely, Jude Reeves, Features Editor, Essex Enquirer

Vincent, My name is Gina, I know you have been corresponding with Jude our features editor but I am the reporter who actually travelled to Borley last night with a spiritual medium. I do have a few questions and hope you will be able to provide some of your thoughts to go into my article if that is okay with you (we go to press on Wednesday morning). I just wondered if your mother Marianne ever discussed Borley and her experiences there with you, if so can you shed any light on the phenomenon? Also I think I would be right in assuming that you have been there, and I just wondered what your experiences were there and and your sense of the place? What were your mother's feelings towards Harry Price, did she believe him to be the geuine article? I would be truly grateful to receive your input on these matters and will be more than happy to send you a copy of the finished piece. Regards, Gina Marden
[My mother never discussed Borley. She was trying to protect me from the droves of investigators and snoops. So many investigators thought our private lives were somehow connected to the alleged haunting, which of course was not true. Please refer to How I uncovered the Borley secret on my web site. Yes, I have visited. Each time, I was so keyed up if any signs were given to me, I would have missed them. You can read about my 1997 visit on my web site. Iris Owen wrote that my mother believed, "Harry Price performed a magic trick when he converted the wine, but does not accuse him of any other trickery." Mother disliked Price and did not trust him. She told Owen he was "a clever one." See my web site. My web site includes my ideas about the place.]

Rev. Luget, the wall writings, and the Virgin Mary

Thanks for. . . .the BGS newsletter, which is always welcome. The [October] Paranormal Review caught my eye. I don't remember who Jack Hastie is, but I'm sure you do. He does seem to have a good point. Keep up the good work. - Guy Lyon Playfair

Hastie, Jack. "Borley Postscript." The Paranormal Review. London: The Society for Psychical Research. October, 2003. p. 15. Letter. (Looks at the Rev. Clive Luget testimony in Borley Postscript by Peter Underwood. Luget talked to Underwood in 1948, saying "he was once in the company of Marianne and Lionel Foyster in the Blue Room, when they heard a sound of scribbling, and, on looking round, saw a pencil drop to the floor, and letters 2 to 3 inches high on the wall." Hastie wonders why Underwood did not use the startling account in his 1973 book, The Ghosts of Borley. Hastie points out that Luget "claimed to be visited by apparitions of the Virgin Mary." Confusing the issue is the testimony Luget gave Underwood saying he had visited Borley "many times in the 1930's and 1940's," when the rectory burned down in 1939.) ** photocopy

[Hastie, Jack. "The Haunting of Borley Village." The Paranormal Review. London: The Society for Psychical Research. January 2002. pp. 18-24. (Lengthy and objective condensation of the various coverages - pro and con - over the years, including both the Dingwall/Goldney/Hall report of 1956, and the Hastings rebuttal of 1969. - Often quoted reply by Vincent O'Neil asked "When does a haunting cease to be a hauting."]

Bull's Folly and a herd of swine

I have finally got around to updating my Bull's Tower page on my website. I originally contacted you about use of one of your photo's, this will no longer be necessary now as I have had several rather good one's sent to me recently. I will though still link to your site from the page, as it will be of interested to people I am certain. . . . what relationship was Edward Bull [Pentlow tower] to Henry Dawson Ellis Bull [Borley Rectory]? If I understand your chart correctly, it was father/son? Also the page regarding the rectors shows Joh. P. Herringham, and Henry Dawson Ellis Bull, yet no mention of the Rev Edward Bull. Was Edward rector of somewhere else? Regards, Phil Tuck

[Yes, father and son. Edward - 1803/1871 - was rector of Pentlow.]

There is plenty of information on these topics on the Foxearth Historical Society site. . . .The Foxearth site is getting around 70 visits a day even though nobody except your site has provided links. Our users seem very pleasant, appreciative people. [A researcher] came across the incredible story about Edward Bull being attacked by a herd of swine. We have keyed-in the 'Extent of Borley' to make it easier to study. I'm currently formatting it up. We are so lucky to have such detail from the 14th century. Incidentally, the gothic summerhouse was built before the Bull's Borley rectory. It is actually a folly, designed to be viewed from the house. Its style is 'Strawberry Hill Gothic', and is pretty easy to date as the fashion did not last long. Henry Bull couldn't have obtained such a thing in his day. It therefore was not put up to watch for the nun - another Bull fabrication I fear. (Watch for an upcoming Sidelight). - Andrew Clarke

Guy was not so strange

I visted Guy L'Strange at his home in the early 1960s. At that time he was living in Bungay. I talked to him about his visits to Borley, but unfortunately I didn't make any notes. I was very impressed with him. I seem to remember he told me that he had been mayor or alderman in one of the local towns, I think it was Ipswich. - Alan Roper

Exploding Borley

I am trying find a book that had ghost stories that I read as a youngster. I believe it was called "Ghosts, Haunted Houses and Poltergeists." It was a small book and, if I remember correctly, was mostly illustrated with a few photographs. There was a section on the Borley Rectory that took up a few pages and had a map of the house with arrows pointing to various locations of hauntings and events in the rectory. It was my first introduction to the Borley story. There was also a companion book about Vampires and Werewolves done in the same style. I believe that the publishing company might have been in England and would be from the late 70's or very early 80's. I looked through the bibliography on your excellent website, but none of the listing leaped out as being the book I am looking for (I might have the name wrong, after all). If my description rings any bells, I would love some basic information about this book (author, publishing company, date) if you have any. I know you probably get dumb requests/questions like this all the time. Thank you for you time and attention. - Charles Mills, Waynesville, North Carolina

Maple, Eric; Myring, Lynn. Haunted Houses - ghosts and spectres. London: Usborne, 1979. "The most haunted house in the world?" pp. 8-11, 15, 53. (Small hardback designed for youth. Lushly illustrated, including a unique exploded and labeled drawing of the rectory. Worth having if only for this map, contains excellent synopsis.)**

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond. That is the book/information I am looking for. Halloween always get me back in the mode to see if I can find a copy of the book. I remember it having some great stories/illustrations ... especially the Borley section was very memorable. I was delighted years later to come across Simon Marsden's account of the Borley Rectory in his excellent book "The Haunted Realm." Thanks again for your response. It is greatly appreciated. - Charles Mills

Tonnerre art

[Here is my] review concerning the French publication Tonnerre Rampant. I finally managed to take the time to study this piece of art, which it is indeed. - Andres Trottmann

Associates visit Borley

Borley Ghost Society visit, 5 October 2003. "Paul commented on how small the Waldergrave tomb appeared in the flesh. I, too was surprised to find the building smaller than I had remembered."

Another Waldegrave tomb

Sir E Waldegrave researchers:www.parishchurch.co.uk/ is the web site for St Mary's in Bures. If you believe the stories, then this is the convent of the famous Borley nun Marie Lairre. There is some information about Sir E Waldegrave and his family on these pages that may help people researching his death, or just spark the interest of Borley inquisitors. - Kyla Hall

Borley is on a Silent Hill

Borley Rectory was used as a reference in a video game called "Silent Hill 3". The creators of the game (Konami) used references from many other places and movies, most notable of all being the move Jacob's Ladder. The part in the game that has to do with Borley is when the main character (Heather) comes to a place called Lakeside Amusement Park. While exploring the place Heather comes upon a haunted house (not a real one, just one that would be in an amusement park) named Borley Haunted House with a sign that reads "If you have a weak heart or a pregnant please refrain from entering." It's not a big reference but I just figured you would find it interesting. For more info about Silent Hill 3 or Konami go to www.gamefaqs.com. It's not a cartridge. It's a game for Playstation 2. You can probably get it for about $40 to $50. . . . . . It's the 3rd game in a series of very good horror games. Silent Hill (for the original Playstation) was about Harry Mason trying to find his lost daughter in a lakeside resort called Silent Hill. In Silent Hill 2 a man named James receives a letter from his dead wife that tells him to meet her in Silent Hill. In Silent Hill 3, Harry Mason's daughter - Heather - has her world turned upside down after a strange cultish woman named Claudia begins to try to release a fallen angel named Samuel into the regular world. In all three games they reference MANY old horror movies, folk tales, and famous authors such as Edgar Allen Poe and William Shakespere. If you are the video game type person I suggest you buy these games. Judging from the fact that if your mother was in Borley in the [30's] I take it you must not be into video games, but if you have a PS2 I strongly suggest you get them. This link is a plot analysis of the games and more info about Silent Hill. [Here] is the clip of information that introduced me to your site and story that I found in a walkthrough for Silent Hill 3. . . . Didn't think much about [the warning] the first time through, but it's quite funny in light of subsequent events! The name at least of Borley Haunted Mansion seems to be based on Borley Rectory, claimed to be the most haunted place in England. Check out their website for more info." If you would like to speak with me for more info my AIM screen name is Montaron9. Thank your for your time once again. Happy Hunting! - Matthew Maziasz, age 15

Andrew Clarke finds missing Bull

I've found the "missing" Bull child (son of Henry Bull). He was Hubert Bull and was a commercial traveller living in North Lancaster in the 1901 census. He is in the Borley census, and was referred to by Marianne as being the one they never talked about. I didn't know where he went! So he must have lived and died in the Manchester area, and worked as a commercial traveller. I don't suppose anyone interviewed him. The various books seem to get into a muddle over Hubert. - Andrew Clarke

Eddie Brazil finds Venus at Borley

A new photo by Eddie Brazil shows Borley Church at night with Venus attending.

Associate activities

I recently joined the Borley Ghost Society, and would like to say how pleased I was with the Time-Life edition of The Most haunted House in England. I have a first edition of the book, but the Time-Life edition is so beautifully bound, and my first edition is well worn. . . . I have had an interest in Borley and its strange goings on since I was about 10 years old. Every year, four of us usually go on a days outing to Borely. We . . . also have a walk in Long Melford. One year we went into Borley Church, and there were some folk selling photographs of a model of the rectory. We often wondered if they had got permission from the vicar to do this. You may know who owns the model. I have enclosed laser copies for you, even though you may already have the pictures. I do not have a computer myself and. . . .would like you to mail me the newsletter even if I have to send you postage money. . . .Sincerely, Arthur B. Casey
[Peter Underwood comissioned the model, which has since been destroyed. Thank you for your clear pictures, which have been added to the section about the model. The model clearly shows my mother's home was not just a "pile of bricks!"]

The English Premiere of THE TWILIGHT HOUR Visions of Ireland's Haunted Past An 82 minute documentary/drama based on Simon Marsden's latest book of the same title, directed by Jason Figgis and featuring readings by John Hurt will be shown at THE ELECTRIC CINEMA, Notting Hill, London on Thursday 30th October. *** For further information/tickets regarding this, the book and other screenings visit www.simonmarsden.co.uk - LATEST NEWS section, or tel/fax 00-44-(0)1507-313-646

I wish I lived in England, so I could see The Twilight Hour - Linda Cody

Associate profiles

I want to join the BGS because of a lifelong interest in the paranormal--and Borley Rectory in particular. I am a published novelist and journalist, and a retired university professor. Bertha Harris

Meek, George W. & Bertha Harris. Seance and Science. New York: Regency Press, 1973. Meek relates findings of twentieth-century science to the fifty years of paranormal experiences of Bertha Harris. Foreword by Sir Kelvin Spencer.

Was Marianne responsible for the wall writings?

More than 50 years ago now, I aked a professional graphologist, Lewis T. Akermann, for his considered opinion on them, as reported in the Proceedings of the SPR in 1969. All the writings were most carefully examined, including producing enlarged reproductions for exploration (which I still possess), and Lewis Akermann came to the conclusion that all the writings were executed by the same hand with the single exception of the word "Edwin." He was also careful to emphasize that a majority of the writings emanated from the hand of Marianne Foyster, as he thought likely, they could have been produced in a state of dissassociation, in which case she would have no conscious knowledge of having done the writing when in her normal state. This could well be the answer. - Peter Underwood

I wanted to let you know how excited I was to see that Andrew Clarke has bravely broached the topic of comparing of Marianne's handwriting to that of the Borley wall writing. I have been mentally debating over this topic since I first read about Borley in my teens. I had a much-loved little Scholastic Book Fairs paperback called "Hauntings," which covered Borley, the "Brown Lady" photo taken at Raynham Hall, and other famous (mostly British) hauntings. The "Marianne please help get" photograph of the wall writing was an endless source of fascination to me! I'm thrilled to revisit my first interest in Borley Rectory. Your "headings" for the topics covered in the newsletter ("The writing is on the wall," "The mystery is in the yard," etc.) are a fine example of your subtle brand of humor, Vince -- this newsletter is one of the true highlights of my month! - Linda Cody

More feedback

What did the nun look like?

As part of his report describing a visit in 1966, James Lushey asked, "Has anyone ever described the nun in detail?" In response, the web site now asks, What did the nun look like?

Glancing at Glanville

I was very taken with the Paul Adams essay about Glanville. I wrote to Paul about his essay a while back when it first appeared. - Andrew Clarke

What a wonderful article you wrote on Glanville. It really does him justice. I'm quite jealous. I wish I'd written something so good. Understanding the contribution of the Glanville family gives the key to understanding the entire mystery of what happened at Borley Rectory. I spoke to Trevor Hall about Glanville. Trevor had the utmost admiration for him, and as warm a friendship as old Trevor ever had (he and my father got on well too). They were very similar in temperament (and both were trained surveyors). Glanville was a long way down the road to disillusionment with Price when Trevor met him and the two formed a real friendship. Glanville gave Hall the Locked Book so that Hall should get it transcribed, bound and presented to the major world libraries. This he did, and, I believe, sold the original to defray his expenses. (I assume this-I never asked him about it). Glanville was, evidently, the source of quite a lot of the criticisms about Price in the Dingwall, Hall and Goldney book.
I was amused by your comments about Glanville's lack of skills in human psychology. The case is of the utmost interest from the psychological complexity of the Bulls and Foysters. Several times, I have thought I'd got a grip on the psychodynamics of what was going on and the detail has hit me on the nose, and made me tear up the theory. What a minefield. I sometimes think it would be far easier to believe in the ghosts.
- Andrew Clarke

Dear Andrew. . . . thank you for your kind words about my Glanville piece, especially as I consider that your ongoing series of Sidelights represent the best work that anyone has done in the field of Borley for years. Your writing puts the entire business into perspective & relates it to the real world (of those times). I think too many people see the story of the Rectory in isolation, as well as not taking into account the incredible changes that have gone on socially since the days of the Bulls & the Foysters. As you say, Glanville is one of the most important characters in the Borley drama, yet he appears very transparent (no ghostly associations meant here!) & the general lack of appreciation of him & what he did is made evident by the way he has been treated in the Borley books. The Price tenancy for me is the most interesting part of the Rectory story and SHG & his family take centre stage in the action. I harbour a little fantasy of my own - I admit in that I would have loved to have been the forty-ninth official observer in 1937 & 1938! I find your comments about Hall & SHG very interesting. Knowing Hall personally must be very helpful in this context. The period after Price's death, Glanville's involvement with the projected Borley symposium & his relation with Hall is a complex business with lots of conflicting views & lots of opinions are made remote from it all. My family commitments at the moment mean that my biography of SHG will be a way off, but I am working at it slowly but surely. I'm concentrating on putting together a chronological list of the Price tenancy at the moment & getting my head round the various comings & goings in the place. I hope to put together some more essays, each covering three month periods during that time. I have made an appointment next week to visit the University of London Library to look through the Borley papers. I'm so looking forward to seeing Glanville's own letters & reports, & especially his drawings of the Rectory. - Paul Adams

Thanks for your very kind comments about the Sidelights. I often wonder if anyone reads them, but they are so much fun to write that I cannot help myself. I hope that you add Kerr-Pearce to your list of interesting people. His contribution was also downplayed by Harry Price. The Glanville seance material might yet produce something of interest. I shall never touch it because it has produced such a lot of bunkum over the years, and both Katie Boreham and Marie Lairre have proved to be red-herrings. There is an awful lot still to discover about Borley Rectory. Most of it is in the existing source material. We just have to read it with minute detail, and an open mind. Best of luck with the research. - Andrew Clarke

The report is in the works

Haunted Borley Rectory: Do you see what I see? by Scott Cunningham now has its own folder. New chapters this month talks about Marianne Faints On Main Stairs, and Borley's Oldest Mystery.

Letters to the editor

Here is a new photo for my gallery. Tthis one is of a ancient site in Dorset and much influenced by the great Sir Simon Marsden. I will be getting in touch with [anlother BGS associate] with regard to us both going to Borley to do some research on the lights in the rectory being caused by passing trains theory. It would be great if [we can get a] Sidney Glanville-style sketch similar to his Borley grounds drawing to show that the lights from passing trains idea is a little far fetched. I will also provide photos to go with the piece. I think 2004 is the year you should return to Borley. Why not a meet up with BGS members at the site. Why not a fund to return the son of Borley to the site of the most haunted house in England. - Eddie Brazil

is this Story true? - GhettoQueen592@aol.com
[That question has fueled debate for decades. My goal is to present everything possible on the subject, and let the reader decide. Thanks for your interest.]

[This web site] Has a picture of the church. I was hoping someone had a Ghost Cam set up, but it seems not. -

I first heard about Borley in 1987 when I met Aurther Casey and off and on though the years went with him to Borley. - Karl Edwards

I thought you might like to see the new publication we have added to the Foxearth site. it is a pamphlet, a guide-book really, a cousin of mine wrote called The Stour from source to Sea. - Andrew Clarke

I thank Mr. Clarke for the overlapping maps, I am a sucker for Maps. And has there been an answer to the question about the unopened door in 1988? That is amazing, I would have opened it. I would love to hear any updates on that subject. - Kathy Rageur

Was these Tunnels haunted by spirits to? These Tunnels have people found out where they are yet,and what was discoverd [maybe human remains] The silence of Borley still is quiete,Has the nun reappeard as many sightseers seen this ghost of a sad nun still waiting for her lover,does any body know why she still haunts the grounds of nuns walk,why dosent people try and help her and to make her rest in peace.It must get so boaring for the nun to haunt the same place every day and night.where is she buired,if people knew where she was buried many people would put flowers on her grave and may be that she will know that she is still not alone people who still care. - karen fowler

Do you, by any chance, know where I can get ahold of personal information about Capt. Gregson. I am in my Senior year of study of history at Benedictine College and one of my classes entails doing research on the principle characters of the drama of Borley. Any information you can provide would be most helpful. Thank you. - James Allee
[All the information I have on Capt. Gregson is posted on the website - try using the Goggle search bar. I will post your request in the next issue of the Borley Ghost Society newsletter, and if any of our associates have information, they will pass it along to you. We would very much like to see your report when you finish, and would be happy to post it on the web site.]

As always a wonderful Newsletter. I cannot imagine how you manage to keep up the standard. If anyone wants to take up the idea of a Borley Rectory convention, I'd be pleased to host it as long as there are no great local objections My drawing room can hold fifty people comfortably but I've squeezed 100 in there! . . . . . It may be best for local sensibilities to have a Foxearth and District Local History Society meeting on Borley Rectory, with an informal meeting here afterwards. - Andrew Clarke

The M R JAMES web site is called GHOSTS AND SCHOLARS which is run by Rosemary Pardoe from Cheshire in England. It is dedicated to the work of England's greatest ghost story writer, MONTAGUE RHODES JAMES. It has recently become the G/S newsletter, but any one with an interest in mrj work should check it out. Rosemary has kindly given the BGS a recomendation to her readers and was very impressed with the scope of the BGS site.
There is a photo of the rectory from the drive in the book "THE GIANT BOOK OF MYSTERIES" edited by colin, rowan and damon wilson. i think the otherwise meticulous mr wilson has made a mistake though on the page next the photo, he says the Bull sisters saw the nun, on the 28 july 1900 on the nuns walk. i always thought it was in the middle of the lawn. perhaps you can clarify? - Eddie Brazil
[Page 45 of MHH says, "The figure was slowly gliding. . . . .along the Nun's Walk in the direction of the stream." That answers YOUR question, but opens up an entirely new one - was the path of the nun so familiar by 28 July 1900, that it already HAD a name, or was Price using literary license by telescoping history and using the title given AFTER that most famous sighting?]

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Founded October 31, 1998 by Vincent O'Neil to examine without prejudice any and all existing records and research related to the alleged haunting of the rectory and church of Borley, Essex, England. It is not the purpose of the Society to cause undue hardship, embarrassment, or discomfort to the present residents of Borley.