28 November 2003 BGS Newsletter Issue 65
Welcome to the sixty-fifth edition of the Borley Ghost Society Newsletter.

Rev. Clive Luget

Very many thanks for the always interesting BGS Newsletter, No. 64. In reference to Rev. Clive Luget, I did not include the evidence of Clive Luget in The Ghosts of Borley because he asked me not to. He disliked publicity of any kind and regarded the hauntings he had experienced at Borley and elsewhere as something personal between him and those concerned. I did the same thing with other witnesses, including James & Cathy Turner and Marianne. Luget did visit Borley thorughout the 1930s and 40s, seeing friends in the area, including Henning and the Paynes, and hearing the latest news of reported and reputed happenings there. I have always abhored the habit of some writers to use pseudonyms or omit names when presenting evidence, and feel it preferable to omit such material which I have long felt to be worthless when it is unattributed. - Peter Underwood

Andrew Clarke pointed out the following information, which will eventually be added to Chapter 8 of The Most Haunted Woman in England.
Peter Underwood visited with the Rev. Clive Luget in 1948. Luget was rector for a small village a mile south of Sudbury during the 1930s and 40s. Luget visited Borley many times, and Underwood recorded these visits in his 2001 book, Borley Postscript. Luget's first visit, in fact, was at the invitation of Lionel Foyster. Luget recalled Lionel as "a gentle and charming man."
Underwood wrote that according to Luget, Lionel Foyster "was worried that the ghosts, which he had heard all about from his relatives the Bulls in 1895, would affect his young, bright and vivacious wife, the enigmatic Marianne."
Luget told Underwood he had visited numerous haunted houses but that he "had never encountered anything like Borley Rectory. On his first and subsequent visits he personally saw the famous ghost nun, heard music and singing from empty rooms. . . witnessed the appearance of penciled messages that could not possible have been produced by any human being, since he had examined the room minutely and was about to leave the room when he thought he heard a sound behind him and turning round he found a sheet of paper in the middle of the room, a sheet of paper that had on it a pencilled 'Marianne' in letters about three inches high. On another occasion he witnessed the leviation of a pencil and an empty bottle apported from nowhere."
Luget told Underwood about a tour through the rectory he took with Lionel and Marianne. "They were leaving the Blue Room when they all looked at each other as they heard a scribbling sound from the room behind them. Turning they were just in time to see a pencil drop to the floor and on the wall, in letters two to three inches tall, a message asked for prayers. They all immediately dropped to their knees and prayed and nothing further happened on that visit."

Luget also told of the time he was walking in an upstairs hall with Marianne and "they both saw the figure of a man in a plum-coloured dresing-gown come out of a room ahead of them and then, as they watched, the figure completely disappeared. Mrs Payne of Borley Place, called later that afternoon. Marianne knew that she had been friendly with the Bull family for years and ventured to ask whether the late Rev. Harry Bull possessed a plum-coloured dressing-gown. Mrs Payne replied, 'Yes, indeed, he almost lived in it - but how on earth did you know that?' She was not enlightened."

Another time, Luget and Lionel had just left the upstairs chapel "when they were pelted with a handful of pebbles that came down the stairs after them. Immediate investigation failed to reveal any possible explanation."

Just before the Foysters left, Luget was at dinner with the couple when they all smelled burning. Marianne raced upstairs to check on Adealaide, whilst Luget checked the kitchen. Lionel was too lame to search. Other roomswere searched, but in vain. No source was located.

TO BE CONTINUED

Imploding Borley

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Associate activities

The Crypt's "Classic Ghost Pics", Section. . . .is dedicated to the classics. Hand written to Marianne from resident ghost On a site called "The Secret Crypt", a "sister" site to Ghoststudy.com. Ghoststudy is a free site, the crypt is a paid site. . . . Borley is everywhere! Oh, and by the way, here's a photo of me! This was taken two years ago on Halloween. Regards - Karen Zimmerman

I've just been asked to do a SECOND EDITION to my "Complete Idiots Guide to Ghosts and Hauntings!". . . I don't have space in the book to expand what's there (more than a few sentences, that is,), but I want to make sure all of the information that's there is accurate. - Tom Ogden

NIKON OWNERS CLUB INTERNATIONAL proudly presents A Ghostly Christmas Dinner with ...Simon Marsden...and a special screening of THE TWILIGHT HOUR in the spectacular surroundings of the Great Hall of the Castle at Saint Hill Manor, East Grinstead, West Sussex, England. Saturday 6th December 2003. For further details and ticket sales please telephone 00-44- (0) 207-828-4925

To Eddie Brazil: I've spent a lot of time at your website and I think your photography is wonderful. I especially like your "Borley Church" piece. We work hand in hand with the largest stores in the country, plus thousands of small to medium sized specialty businesses stretched across the U.S. If you want the opportunity to sell your artwork through major retailers plus the other 17825 art galleries, 51005 gift stores, 6088 craft stores, 2990 craft galleries, and over 24000 mail-order catalogs ...Sincerely, Andrea Harmon, Vendorpro.com

The report is in the works

Haunted Borley Rectory: Do you see what I see? by Scott Cunningham now has its own folder with several chapters.

Peter Underwood's model

I am highly interested in acquiring pictures of Borley Rectory if they exsist. . . I did a search and found some pretty good pictures. There is no particular use. I was just immediatedly attracted to the beauty of Borley Rectory the moment I saw it. My wife and I share a love for old time architecture and a curiousity for haunted dwellings. It would be great if someday a movie is made about Borley Rectory. Or at least a documentary. Too bad Stanley Kubrick is not alive. He would be my choice to undertake a project on Borley Rectory. . . . has anyone ever attempted to recreate the rectory to its life-size and what would be the price of such a project? - Alex L. Flor Miami, Florida
[Be sure to check out the pictures of the model made for Peter Underwood. These photos may NOT be copied.]

Awesome work! Any idea on the scale of this model? - Alex L. Flor Miami, Florida

Letters to the editor

Your site is fascinating. Very well done and informative. I wonder if you can direct me to the proper email adddress for David Britland. The one on his link does not seem to be current or acceptable to AOL. Cheers and best regards. - Gerrard Nemmo Hoeppner St. Petersburg, FL
[Thank you for the compliment. That is the latest I have for David Britland. Try a Google search.]

looking at the lack of recent updates on the site. . . . .Are you saving space on the site or has there been a lack of contributors? it seems unusual for the site to go so long with out new news. . . .i have been trying to get some info on a play which was broadcast on British tv in 1973. it was loosely based on Lionel and Marianne time at Borley. i remember seeing the play and thinking, hang on, this is about Borley. It was pretty scary as i remember.It was reminded to me the other week as i came across the replies Peter Underwood sent me from are correspondence in the early seventies. Peter missed the programme but was told it was very good.i will try to track down this play, unless you already are aware of it. - Eddie Brazil
[Some of the updates may not have been entered due to some health challenges. Yes, the site is maxed out. I just received this warning, "The account. . . . is running out of disk space. Please remove some files from this account, or ask the administrator to increase your disk quota." We would rather have duplications of information than miss something - and it is always useful to get verying views of the same event/item. These are the plays I have listed.]

any new info on borley? i take it apparitions faded soon as the rectory did?. many thanks for reply, quite an honour to get reply from the son of marianne foyster. do you know of any existing audio/video footage of harry price?, can't get a sniff of it on the net and if so how can i get hold of it. . . . dominic mcloughlin
[Some report sightings after the fire, but the focus has now switched to the church, much to the chagrin of the church-goers. I am unaware of any footage with Harry Price, but I will ask the Borley Ghost Society associates if they know of any.]

I still do not understand why the team who discovered the entrance to the crypt of Borley Church(in the 'dummy grave') made no attempt to open the large room itself but were apparently content to peer through the keyhole with torches!Has the crypt now been fully investigated? 2)What a coincidence!I was re-reading 'The End of Borley Rectory',when I saw that Helen Glanville married one George Carter.This cannot have any connection to the 'George Carter' of Louis Mayerling 'fame',can it?? 3)Weather permitting,I am planning to visit Borley on Saturday 29th Nov.I will take some pictures,have a general look-round, and hope that it might be possible to see inside the church. All best wishes John Lane

The Bertha Harris you mention in BHG Newsletter 64, is not the same one as the co-author with George Meek of From Seance to Science (1973), who was one of Britain's most respected mediums. She passed on some ten years ago after a long and eventful life. I had a couple of impressive sittings with her in the 1970s, somewhat overawed by the fact that her earlier sitters had included Sir Winston Churchill, Charles De Gaulle,and even Sir William Crookes, whom she met in 1917! Happy fifth birthday to the Newsletter, which is already an invaluable research source. - Guy Lyon Playfair

Is there any Bull family left? - Karen Fowler
[It may very well be possible, as there were 14 children - although not all lived to maturity.]

A bounty of Borley books

I'll post off the copy of the INKY WAY ANNUAL to you. - Stewart P Evans
[Thank you! It is a fascinating collection of articles by and for media-types. It really helps to see the context in which the Charles Sutton article was written.]

I Found another Borley mention. There's a CD-Rom attached . . . all it has for Borley is it shows the picture and someone reads out the text. What someone should do at some point is create a list of most referenced authors (e.g. John Spencer, Jenny Randles, etc.) and then look at their other works to see if there're any references. Help speed the reference finding process up a little. :) - Jamas Enright
Spencer, John; Spencer, Anne. The Unexplained: The Ultimate Gateway to the World of the Unknown. Simon & Schuster Ltd, 1997. p. 157. Chapter 'Haunts,' section titled 'England's Most Haunted House.' One photo of Harry, his wife, and her daughter on the lawn. Attached CD has photo, plus narration of the related text. ("In the 1930s, Borley Rectory in the south of England gained notoriety as one of the world's most haunted houses. It was unusual in the respect that there was no association with any dark events of the past: the Rectory had only just been built when the ghostly goings-on began. Apparitiions of a nun and headless men were seen; a phantom coach and horses would drive past outside; doors would lock and unlock themselves; bells would ring and objects would fly through the air. By the mid-1930s, not surprisingly, no one wanted to live at the Rectory, except, that is, for Harry Price. Price was a famous ghost-hunter, and he moved into the house with a team of investigators. He wrote extensively about the strange occurances that went on at Borley Rectory, although suspicion surrounds his version of events. On one occasion, for example, he spoke of a poltergeist throwing stones, only for a reporter to discover that his pockets were full of pebbles. Borley Rectory did not survive long enough for many other investigations to take place. It burnt down a few years later, with the ghostly nun seen at one of the windows at the height of the conflagration.")

Pitt, Ingrid. The Ingrid Pitt Bedside Companion for Ghosthunters. London: Batsford, 1999. Chapter 32, "Harry Price." pp. 137-42. Drawing of nun in front of Rectory. (In attempting to use sarcasm to discredit Price and Borley, the author makes an incredible amount of errors by ignoring original sources. The most glaring mistakes include the following. "This time the malevolence was directed at one of the rector's daughters, Marianne. . . .an 11-year-old." Marianne was Lionel Foyster's wife. They had one daughter, who was 2 1/2 years-old. "The Smiths rather liked the idea of living dangerously." Not supported by the evidence. "[The gardener] was having real problems with the three Bull sisters who had passed over some years before. They were, in their ethereal form, incorrigable and wouldn't leave him alone." The sisters reported they saw a nun - they were never seen as ghosts themselves. Carlos becomes "Carlo." Henry and Harry Bull exchange names throughout, making it difficult to know who is who. The entire chapter is extremely confusing and very misleading. As Uri Geller ironically says in the foreword, "There is only one woman who can chill the soul with such lush theatrical gestures. Everything about her is magnified and distorted. . . .") **

Murdie, Alan. "Chairman's letter." The Ghost Club Newsletter. Autumn, 2003. pp. 2-4. (Review of Borley Rectory: The Final Analysis. "The most important contribution. . . .is tracking down and publishing testimony from local Borley residents. . . . many of them did indeed believe both the rectory and the village to be haunted, having experienced ghosts for themselves. . . .[this is] in marked contrast to many earlier investigators whose failure to record local testimony seems to have been dictated by questions of class. . . .") **

Southall, Richard. How to be a ghosthunter. Llewellyn, 2003. ISBN: 0-73870-3125. (One sentence.)

Kaye, Marvin. editor. Ghosts. New York: Doubleday, 1981. Appendix D, "Selected Bibliography." p. 652. (Under Harry Price. "The Most Haunted House in England is an engrossing and unfortunately scarce non-fiction book on the lively hauntings observed at Borley Rectory before it burned down. Tjhough Price came under serious adverse scrutiny by British parapsychologists, his nbook is enjoyable what-if reading, as is its equally scare sequel, The End of Borley Rectory, in which ghostly doings were allegedly observed in the ruins of the old pile.") **

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