BORLEY GHOST SOCIETY

28 February 1999 BGS Newsletter Issue 6
Welcome to the sixth edition of the Borley Ghost Society Newsletter. It was exactly 60 years ago today that fire destroyed the Rectory.

What more fitting way to begin this month that to actually be put in touch with the son of Capt. Gregson, who may very well be the sole-surviving witness from the Borley era!

February 4, 1999
"Dear Sir;
"My father [Allan William Gregson] lived at the Rectory, the eldest son of Captain William Hart Gregson, who was residing the Rectory at that time.
"If the fire was in 1939, that would make Dad around 17. He definitely went to war when it started, but who knows, maybe he put his age up, as so many people did.
"His younger brother was Anthony Gregson (he went missing mysteriously in the Yukon after stowing away to America...but that's another story!) who also lived in the Rectory.
"Some say [Capt Gregson] purposely burnt the place down in 1939. He told me in no uncertain terms that his father was as shocked and frightened as he and his brother when they realised there was a fire, and he says his dad didn't "fake" that kind of reaction.
"Anyway, because my father has so many stories about the Rectory, I have always been fascinated by it. He has all the books, too. He is actually living in Tasmania, Australia.
"Dad's brother Anthony also lived at the Rectory when they were there. Capt. Gregson was quite the eccentric adventurer (and a single father since Dad was about eight), and he and his sons moved about the country fairly constantly."
"He has sent a letter back which he says will be his only one - he gets a bit tired writing letters these days, he says - he says he is too old for that sort of thing."
Leonie Gregson

As a result of this startling development, I dug up a copy of an article written by Capt. Gregson a few months after the fire for the East Anglican Magazine. It has now been posted on the Internet it is entirety. By sheerest coincidence, the article includes a sketch of the "haunted courtyard" by none other than - Alan Gregson! Watch for Alan Gregson's story in the next issue!


More contributions from Peter Underwood

Peter Underwood knocked me over this last month with a picture of my mother's house in Romiley! I never thought I would be able to see this - and I'll bet anything it no longer exists. I was absolutely thrilled to get this rare photo!

Of course, the envelope from Mr. Underwood had more than one photograph inside. Amongst the items he sent me this time, is an article he wrote about the Great Borley Bell as originally published in The Bentley Magazine, February 1974. Mr. Underwood included several views of the rectory which I have added to the web site. They can be accessed from the main page via a "drop down" window just below the animation of the rectory on fire. This includes a very unique picture of the Cottage painted by Michael Allen, and based on the 1947 visit to Borley by Mr.Underwood. A photo of Harry and the church choir taken in 1911 was also in this package. To cap it all off, there is a very rare and very beautiful picture of a 1907 postcard showing Harry outside the church. The address side of the postcard shows it was sent to Miss Ethel Bull from Long Melford.

After mounting all these pictures into the web site, I was prompted to add one more from my mother's collection - an Easter program officiated by Lionel in 1928.


Llewellyn contest

Llewellyn rang me last week, and we had a lovely chat. He stayed overnight in a haunted inn, and only heard the creaking of the sign outside. Darn!
He has suggested a competition to award an autographed copy of his CD, "Ghosts," so I have started an essay contest I am asking willing members of the BORLEY GHOST SOCIETY to judge. You can join the contest, but you won't be able to vote for your own essay!

John Mason print

John Mason sent me an autographed copy of his wonderful infrared photograph of the church. Now, all I have to do is find a frame worthy of this gorgeous work! Thanks, John.

April Ghost Tour

The Ghost Tour has been canceled. It will not be conducted in either April or November. I sincerely appreciate the sentiments of several BORLEY GHOST SOCIETY members who rallied to comfort me when I realized my last chance to return home may have been destroyed. My apologies to those who were making plans - we had signals early in our preparations things weren't just right, but I kept hoping. This last week has seen that optimism shattered. Several have suggested we might salvage something at some future date, and if anything develops, I will keep you posted.

Book review

I don't know how he does it, but Stewart Evans continues to add exceptional copies of books to my private collection. This time, he found a new-looking copy of The Ghost Hunter's Road Book by John Harries. As with so many books that attempt to retell the Borley Legend, this one stumbles just a bit. Harries writes that Henry Bull bricked up the dining room window because the nun kept looking in at him while at his desk. Harry Price said it was because she kept interrupting their meals. Whenever I see errors like this, I wonder how on earth they crop up, especially when the original source material is available. I have decided that part of the reason is an attempt to avoid plagiarism. Each successive writer down the line is trying to retell the story without using the words of any previous writer. The minor twisting of facts isn't serious, but then what happens when a subsequent writer uses the secondary version as a source? Naturally, the third version is even more distant from the original. This happens consistently with the Borley Legend, and probably with history in general. Nevertheless, this is an excellent resource for those on an English ghost hunt.

Angels, ghosts, and Rosemary Ellen Guiley

In a previous essay, I wondered out loud if there was a relationship between ghosts and angels. At the time, I mentioned Rosemary Ellen Guiley defines an angel as 'a supernatural being who mediates between God and mortals.' Ghosts have also been known to communicate with mortals, and I don't know of any case where a spirit identified as a "ghost" did any physical harm to the viewer. We leave that to poltergeists!
The point may be that there are spirits "out there" made of some sort of material we can't normally see. If our eyes become accustomed to the finite material, they "show themselves" to us on occasion - ghosts AND angels.
Here are some more thoughts from Rosemary:
"I've always found that whenever I undertake a project, I just seem to get connected to the material I need.
"When I lived in New York, I would frequent a huge secondhand bookstore looking for books pertaining to whatever I was working on. Whenever I went to the bookstore, the shelves would be loaded with just the out-of-print and secondhand in-print titles I needed. Oftentimes it would be out-of-print books that were hard to find. Yet there they were, as if awaiting my arrival. When I moved on to new projects, books on the previous subjects would vanish or diminish in number, and instead I would find a slew of books related to the new project. And so it went. And still does, in other ways: not only finding the books I need, but meeting resource people as well. It always amazed me.
"You never know what's going to show up in a secondhand store. Yet whenever I went there, I always found a large number of books on the subjects I needed. I don't live in NY anymore, but the same sort of thing happens, in that I always find what I need. Guess the angels are on the lookout for me!
"I think we receive far more guidance than we realize or recognize. It's easier to see when something very important is at stake. But we often fail to see the smaller things. Which is why I'm now writing a book on intuition, because that's how we see the guidance from subtle to big. The more subtle guidance we see, the more effortless a lot of life becomes."
Rosemary Ellen Guiley
I never realized it until I started the mysterious search for my identity, but what Rosemary described is constantly happening to me - especially when connected with Borley. When I first started my quest, there were THREE copies of an extremely important book ("New Light on Old Ghosts") by Trevor Hall that mentioned his secret files on my mother. I have never seen another copy of that book in public since then!
If my mother was helping me as a ghost or as an angel, there is no doubt in my mind she was there!
Maybe more people have more help than they realize? Some of us have recognized our "helpers," but they must be "out there" in greater force than we realize?
What do you think?

That brick again

Dear Vincent,
"I am forced to admit that there are ample grounds for suspecting the now famous picture to be a fake. It was said to have been taken on a 120 roll camera, I think a 6X6cm negative. This may have been a Rollieflex/Rolliecord but I'm not sure If the original negative still exists I think that computer analysis would be very interesting.
"At this time and well after the war pressmen used 5X4" cameras like the Speed Graphic and Linhoff Press camera, therefore anything smaller was miniature-like a 2 1/4 square camera. this is the common professional format offering 12 pictures off a 120 roll film. I have had such a camera in the past and to photograph a building, which is often a rectangle one had to get quite a distance from the subject. One then had quite a bit of waste on the negative. The film then available would not have been much better than 200ASA at best. Although the type of camera is not mentioned the lens would have been something like f4 or maybe f.28 if it was a real high quality model. So there probably would not be much room for selecting a fast shutter speed (assuming the camera had one). Top speed possibly 1/300th or maybe 1/500 if it was a real good camera.
"If you have made a study of the phenomena can you say whether the original negative to the floating brick picture survives? I have to say that while the background is slightly blurred (because of the degree of enlargement) the brick is more blurred. it could have been faked simply by fixing the camera on a stand and throwing bricks. Given a object moving across the field of view I would expect it to be more rectangular and more smeared.
"Your ideas?"
Neil Purling
Neil and I have been trying to track down the camera make. Ivan Banks doesn't go into detail about the camera used by David Scherman that famous April 5, 1944. All Price says in The End of Borley Rectory, ''He was using a miniature camera of American make." I do not know if the original negative still exists. What an interesting quest! Any ideas?


Andrew Collier's visit

Andrew Collier visited about 1976. Like many others, he had trouble with his camera. His memories have been added to the "Others" web page.


Dick Gee photo

Thanks to Neil Purling for loaning me the Praktica magazine from 1985 with the "misty" picture of the Church. Before returning this treasure to Neil, I copied out all the pertinent pages and loaded them on the web site. Clicking each image will bring up the next page in line. It is interesting to read that several years earlier, Gee covered another story in Borley. I wonder what that was? If anyone has a copy of the magazine, or knows about the other Gee story, please let me know.
Meanwhile, we already have a reaction from a new associate!
Dear Mr. O'Neil;
" I would love to become active with your society in any fashion with which I may benefit the group. I am a ghost researcher. I see the ghost in the Dick Gee photo. Did you notice the woman at the lower portion. Her face is just to the right of the base of the monument which is lower than the mid picture portion. She has her head propped on her hand. She is very attractive.
"I am a gifted spiritual discerner. I have had great success with my endeavors. I don't really understand why. Ghosts come to me like flies when we go to research. It is very thrilling. The woman there is a full bodied ghost and quite attractive. She is facing the left I believe and has long hair. She seems to be in thought. She is seated. That is not a reflection. I am sure of that.
"Being a Christian with spiritual discernment, I can really relate to the minister who lived in the rectory and was able to experience the phenomenon. Occasionally, they pass through me on assignments and I am able to see them clearly. These most often end up on our film. I take it they want me to know that they are not reflections but actual phenomenon."
Carol Guess

Web sites

You will find several interesting web sites to visit this month. If anyone finds a site mentioning Borley - and it is NOT at the top of my "Links" page, please let me know. Thanks.


Conjuring Up a great book!

My copy of CONJURING UP THE OWENS by John Robert Colombo arrived in February. This is a tribute to George and Iris Owen from those who know them best. It's a booklet of 102 pages, cerlox bound with a clear plastic cover. There are two dozen contributors, including several BORLEY GHOST SOCIETY associates:
  • Uri Geller - "I sincerely wish that there would be more people like them on this planet."
  • Dr. John Beloff - "I still remember the Owens with warmth and affection."
  • Guy Lyon Playfair - "Conjuring Up Philip is certainly one of the most original and chellenging books that I have ever read."
  • Dr. Donald West - "I remember warmly occasions long ago when they and their son visited me at home."
  • William G. Roll - "George and Iris Owen have found some impressive diamonds. The lode is still there but there are few miners."
  • Lisette Coly - "My grandmother, Eileen J. Garrett. . . .was a staunch supporter of Dr. Owen's work..."
  • Peter Underwood - "There is no doubt that the work of George and Iris Owen in the realm of the paranormal has influenced me enormously."
  • Vincent O'Neil - "The world is definitely a better place because God has blessed us with George and Iris Owen."

    New $20 prepaid. Order through Colombo & Company, 42 Dell Park Avenue, Toronto M6B 2T6, Canada. e-mail inquiries.


    Letters to the editor

    Hi Vince:
    "I think the suggestion to start the "Borley Institute for Paranormal Studies" is an excellent idea! If you decide to adopt this idea, would you please keep me posted on its progress? And if there's anything I can do to help, just ask!"
    Best,
    Heather Langley

    Vince;
    "Apparently there may be a slate from the Rectory roof that was used to train mediums in psychometry."
    Neil Purling
    Anyone hear of this before?
    Reply.

    Dear Vincent:
    "I've been to Borley twice in the last 10 years; once on a pleasant summer's afternoon, and once in driving rain on a bleak November afternoon. On the first occasion I made the terrible mistake of asking at the Rectory Cottage for the church to be unlocked. The lady who answered the door was very angry and accused me of coming to Borley "because of those ridiculous stories". She went on to say that the lives of the villagers had been made a complete misery by Harry Price and "the other sensation-seeking fraudsters", and she particularly blamed the BBC for continually bringing the case back to the public attention over the years.
    "When I showed her a guide book to churches of England (which included Borley), she calmed down a little. I said that I simply wished to see the Waldegrave tomb, and she unlocked the church for me. The poor lady was genuinely distressed by the attention that the village has attracted over the years, and told me of tales involving midnight ceremonies in the graveyard, and unwelcome visitors beseiging the church at Halloween. Apparently she still has to call upon the local police at regular intervals to remove unwanted visitors from the church and its environs. H.D.E. Bull's grave has been vandalised and the continuation of the legend still causes problems for the locals - hence the regular disappearance of directional signs to Borley. Whether these have been taken by souvenir hunters or the villagers is not clear. One thing is certain, the Borley hauntings - real or fabricated - will not go away."
    Bob Richardson

    Hi Vincent;
    "1. I would like to ask a favour. I was really pleased to see the photo of the model rectory, as I had heard of its existence. Is there any chance of getting a series of photos i.e. left, right, top etc on the web site or news letters?
    [Sorry, no. Peter Underwood was kind enough to loan me this exclusive view. However, Ivan Banks includes some excellent architectural renditions in Enigma of Borley Rectory. There is a beautiful "blow-up" schematic in an Usborne pocketbook, Haunted Houses. I don't have copies to share of that book - by Eric Maple and Lynn Myring, but I do have copies of one of my all-time favorites, Tales of Real Hauntings which has a really nice "blow-up."]
    "2. I have visited Der Mythos von Borley linked from your web site and am interested in the origins of the excellent photo of the rectory which must have been taken from the church tower. In saying that, I am a little confused as it seems to be taken at a much higher altitude than that, any ideas? It is also in colour but I suspect some artistic work from the editor.............
    [I've tried several times to contact the owner of the site - unsuccessfully. The e-mail keeps coming back as undelivered. However, the original picture is the frontispiece of The Most Haunted House in England. We have to assume the site owner has colored it.]
    "3. I have read with interest the arguments for and against the photo of the floating brick and I don't really have firm affiliations either way with any of the current arguments. However when it comes to the suggestion that the brick was thrown, I must say I cannot really believe that photographic technology had advanced to the stage that a moving object could be captured on film in such a manner in 1944. Looking at the angle the brick is "floating"at I would say it would be far more likely to have been suspended from above. Furthermore, at the distance the photo was taken any evidence of nylon etc would be lost in the resolution of the picture! (For the record, I would like to say I believe the picture to be genuine).
    "4. I think I may open a can of worms here however this has been dogging me for a while........Does anyone know when the dwelling houses that are built on the site of the rectory were erected.. I have seen the houses and in my opinion they look like typical 1960s English construction but that is only a guess. I would be keen to know how and when the rectory site was leveled and prepared for building. Did the site lie dormant and progressively deteriorate from 1939 till the houses were built. If so, where did they take the remains of the rectory? I appreciate that much of it would have been taken by visitors but there must have been tonnes of rubble. Incidentally, on a previous visit to Borley, I also noticed the gates on the house opposite the church looked a bit out of place in comparison to the age of the house and am keen to find out if they were originally from the rectory etc and whether anything remains of the original building in a museum etc."
    "5. I remember some years ago reading a book in the library about Borley, it was fairly modern and actually had some pictures of the rectory site as it is today (well today ish about the mid 70s I think). It wasn't specifically about Borley but had 4-5 pages on the subject. Have you seen such a book?
    "6. On another subject, have you ever thought about investigating the local Borley council for info regarding the demise of the rectory site. It would also interesting to view the photo files for the civil works, civil surveys etc before and after the completion of the works!!!!"
    Cheers,
    Paul Pritchard

    Dear Vince;
    "I first began reading about Borley whilst at school in the early seventies in magazine and Sunday newspaper articles and then read Price's End of Borley Rectory which, like most people I have since met, made a big impression on me. I also saw the television play that I told you about [see issue 3 and below]. In 1977 I got hold of the Groom-Hollingsworth tape with the raps and famous sigh and this, coupled with the sensationalist articles I had read, convinced me that one only had to open the car door in Borley village to be ensured of experiencing the full range of paranormal phenomena.
    My first visit was in 1977, when myself and two friends spent a long weekend there exploring, eating in Long Melford and sleeping rough in the car in the small picnic area a half mile down the lane next to the River Stour. This really is a wonderful, unspoilt area of England with each village looking like a contender for a jigsaw or biscuit tin lid. Whilst you're down there make sure you check out the Belchamps and their churches. The Stour is the river in most of Constables paintings and it looks pretty much the same now as it did back then. The countryside is very lush and overgrown with lots of singing birds and sizzling insects. The picnic area was a fantastic hidden little spot (presumably still is) lots of green vegetation around the gurgling narrow river and nightingales singing there all night. Signs forbid overnight parking, but the place was so isolated and quiet back then that we stayed in the same place on countless occasions through to the early eighties, usually discreetly pitching a small tent with no problems whatsoever.
    This is not to be recommended now, as you will almost certainly be moved on by the local constabulary. The cops down there no longer look like an aged Alec Guinness and ride pushbikes, jokingly shouting at kids for scrumping apples, but drive big patrol cars and are searching for any excuse to meet a ghost hunter or any other form of nocturnal Borley visitor for the reasons you have outlined. The patrol car now takes in the picnic area on its nightly drives around and there's also a good chance you will meet hormone crazed couples from Long Melford who park there after dark to brush up on their biology homework. The other big downfall are the car loads of youths from Sudbury who cruise the leafy lanes, especially on weekend nights, looking for paranormal researchers to bait (an olde English tradition - a bit like bear baiting only with more jeering profanities).
    Having said this, Borley was still a bit of a circus on Saturday nights back in the late seventies and early eighties, but I never witnessed or heard about any trouble. Most weekends, as the night progressed, the dark lanes, churchyard and rectory site would see bunches of students from Cambridge (half an hour away) ghost groups from around Britain coming and going and a wide selection of other curious people from all over the world. Covens of white witches turned up and various folk claiming to be a reincarnation of either Harry Price, Marie Lairre or both. The difference was that, back then, the church was always open during the day and the villagers seemed fairly happy to talk about their ghosts and the Borley legend - especially if you were okay and reasonably normal. The vicar and church warden (a lady who lived next door) were fine about people setting up microphones in the building when the doors were locked at sunset with the leads under the door to be plugged into the machine in the porch. No one ever acted around and the village tolerated the strange visitors sneaking about while they were all fast asleep in bed. It was probably the best "neighbourhood watch" Britain has ever had. It must be next to impossible to steal cars or burgle properties in a village when twenty plus idiots with microphones and cameras are tiptoeing around looking for dead nuns.
    We would prowl silently around the rectory site or just sit in the church porch staring down the pitch-black path between the yews and hoping to see something along the lines of what had been described so many times by Borley visitors. Sometimes it was good to have the place to yourself all night, but on other occasions it was interesting to talk to the others. We met Ed and Lorraine Warren, as I told you about earlier, and also (I think his name was) Ron Potter who was first mate on the Groom-Hollingsworth tape. I don't know whatever became of him but he regularly traveled up with his group from London where he ran courses on parapsychology. We also met a guy who claimed that back in the early seventies he had bumped into John Lennon and Yoko Ono one evening at Borley church and earlier in the day at the Bull in Long Melford.
    As far as phenomena went, I never experienced a thing - which was disappointing, as after all the seventies hype (there was a big paranormal and occult revival in the UK back then) I had been expecting at least levitation in the first few minutes of my first visit. The only close encounter was the coin episode with the Warrens and a few strange raps which may or may not have been a church cooling down.
    I keep meaning to go back down there, but after reading your reports and seeing confirmation of this occasionally in the British press, it probably won't be a night visit.
    See you later and take care
    Ian Jarvis

    Vince,
    "I love the new news letter. I especially like the mention of the IGHS. I have just completed The Home Study Course for Certified Ghost Hunter and I have received my diploma. I have also been accepted into the Inner Circle Membership. Please refer to the Ghost Society. My name was also mentioned in the latest IGHS news letter under the Home Study Course section (along with a quote from me)."
    David Barber


    The mysterious television show

    Dear Vince;
    "The British television play in question was the one that dramatised the Foyster period at the rectory, with the addition of a little sneaky murder plotting and extra-marital sex with ghost hunters. I would love to see it again or at least find out more about it. What would be the best way to search for information on this? If you can give me any clues on the best places to begin looking, I'll get right on with it. Bear in mind that I no longer have any idea of the company who made it, the correct year, the channel on which it was shown or any of the cast - a bit of a poser, eh? Remember also that all the names (Foyster, Price, Borley, Marianne) had all been changed, so there is nothing there that could be fed into a search engine. It may possibly have been one in a series of 'scary' dramas, but I can't be sure.
    "I've spoken to various people over the years who vaguely recall seeing the play and, whilst remembering nothing else, always mention how the croquet/nun scene scared the hell out of them. I wonder if [members of the BORLEY GHOST SOCIETY] could help? Anyone who was even mildly interested in ghosts in the seventies and watched this play would have immediately have recognised the story for what it was. Hopefully someone did and has a better memory than I. Just one single actor's name would pin it down."
    Cheers
    Ian Jarvis


    BORLEY GHOST SOCIETY t-shirts

    Is there any interest in having some BORLEY GHOST SOCIETY t-shirts made up? They would have the line drawing of the rectory, with the name "BORLEY" over the top of the house, and "GHOST SOCIETY" along the bottom. I'll pursue this idea only if there is enough response to warrant it. We might even put something on the back of the shirt like "I'd love to live in a haunted house."
    Let me know.


    Borley Ghost Society associate profiles

    For those of you who have profiles on my web site, I have moved them to their own special folder so that you can use them without compromising our hidden BORLEY GHOST SOCIETY address. From now on they will be at http://www.borleyretcory.com/profiles/yourname.htm
    This way, you can tell people you have your very own web page, and freely give them your URL!
    If you would like me to make a profile page for you, just tell me a little about yourself and attach a photo to an e-mail.

    Carol Guess has joined our community. She has her own web page under the banner "Tennessee Ghost Research Society."


    Associate Activities

    David Bamber has sent in the complete story of his visit in 1995. David is the one who gave us the strange picture that looks like Harry Price may have been visiting at the same time.

    Special discounts

    As a member of the Borley Ghost Society you are entitled to a 10 percent discount on all titles from www.ghostbooks.com
    Please note a new department called the BONUS SECTION. This is where I will be placing titles I have found that do not deal with Borley or with ghosts, but were just too interesting to pass during my digging about. Books about Jack The Ripper or Angels, for example. You never know, so stop by often.


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