BORLEY GHOST SOCIETY

27 April 1999 BGS Newsletter Issue 8

W elcome to the eighth edition of the Borley Ghost Society Newsletter. This one may be a little rough, folks, as there is a large gremlin in my computer which I have been unable to exorcize. Please let me know of any glitches.


Still another film crew

Still another film crew has contacted me about Borley. Fortunately, Stewart Evans is willing to serve as resident expert and counselor to these various production crews. As I am just a few miles away at the moment, I sincerely appreciate his fantastic efforts to help. It is rather ironic we should be getting so much attention lately, as Stewart once asked me, "Are there many people in England still interested?"
If you know of anyone with a scientific interest in Borley, let Stewart know. (Hmmm, let me know as well, they should be invited to join the Society!)
You know folks, the whole world is going to descend on Borley July 28, 2000 - we might as well be among the masses! I mean, I am very aware of the comfort of the residents, but perhaps this one day can be an exception? I'm sure Mrs. Dorie will be expecting us for the 100th anniversary of the nun's visit to the Bull sisters.
At any rate, here are the two inquiries:
Dear Vincent;
I work at Anglia Television in Norwich, Norfolk, England. I am at the moment researching a number of facts about Borley Rectory for a possible short documentary to be made. I am more interested in the recent events at Borley as in the last 20 years, and looking at why Borley still holds such a fascination for people of all ages.
I have read much of your website which is very interesting. For me, the highlight was reading about your trip to Borley in 1997 and what you expected or hoped to see. Have you been to Borley since that trip, and are you planning to visit again this year? What I would like is to correspond with you on what you would like to see in a documentary on modern day Borley. I have visited Borley myself, although as yet have not spoken with any residents or the church wardens. I feel a documentary should need a fresh angle rather than just covering old history and should taken into account both sides of the story. from those who live there, those who have moved away because of what happened and ghost hunters who continue to visit the site.
I have only just started my research this past weekend, although I have known about Borley for many years. I have 12 days before I submit an application for funding for the documentary. Please contact me so that we can discuss this matter further. I would also be grateful if you could provide me with some contacts in the East Anglia area.
Jonathan Flowers
Dear Mr O'Neil;
My name is Nicola Woodroff, I run a Production company called Phoenix Film and Video Productions Ltd, together with my partner Anthony Caulfield. At present we are working on an idea for a 50 minute programme based on ghosts and the paranormal. We want to include in this programme Borley Rectory and any other sites like Epworth Old Rectory or Croft Castle. We want to show views from people that believe in ghosts and the paranormal and from those who don't. We also want to incorporate some scientific evidence and how it is obtained. At the moment the programme is in its research stage and we would like to know if you would like to contribute.
One of our main aims when we film is to remain totally unobtrusive and we understand how annoying it must be to locals being pestered day and night by tourists etc. The idea that we have will not require a big crew so hopefully we would hardly get noticed.
I would be most grateful if you could give me some contact points and guidance, as I explained in my previous e-mail we wish to look at other sites and get into contact with people who are experiencing paranormal activity on a regular basis, would this be something you could assist us with. We would also like to accompany scientists who are already conducting investigations and film them, again would this be something you could help us with.
Thank you for your time
Nicola

Another proposed article

Dear Mr. O'Neil;
"I am writing an article for the "X Factor" magazine on the history of Borley Rectory and was wondering whether you would be willing to help me. I was given your name by the Society for Psychic Research and also found your very extensive web site.
"For me Borley Rectory has been a mystery all my life in that it was probably one of the first located "ghost stories" that I can ever remember being told about. I was very disheartened then when I discovered the 1950's book "The Haunting of Borley Rectory" which seemed to dismiss outright everything I'd been told.
"The intention of my article is therefore to relate the story behind Borley and it's hauntings and to demonstrate an open mind to all events. I agree totally with what you say on your web page that 300 witnesses to paranormal events can't all have been lying or colluded to maintain the legend. There must be something there.
"The magazine likes to feature small sections from witnesses or people related to those involved in incidents and when I found your fascinating story I hoped that you may be able to help."
Yours,
John Bassett
[Questions and answers]

The Haunting of Hill House

The Haunting of Hill House by Shirley Jackson, was made into a movie in 1965. The book mentions Borley a couple of times, but the movie does not. The movie was called The Haunting. A remake is scheduled for release July 23, 1999. It will be directed by Jan DeBont. The cast includes Liam Neeson; Catherine Zeta-Jones; Lili Taylor; and Owen Wilson. It will be interesting to see if it has any Borley tie-ins. Let me know if you recognize anything. There are theater companies around the world which still produce this as a dramartic offering.

Book reviews

Daniel Cohen likes writing about Borley. In his children's book Young Ghosts, he wrote, "There is no space for a discussion of Borley here," but then he adds a few sentences anyway! He also includes a picture of students visiting the site. It would be fun to get in touch with Cohen - if any of you have a way to do so.
I found this small offering in a used bookstore in the middle of the children's section. You just never know where something about Borley is going to show up. If members of the BORLEY GHOST SOCIETY find anything about Borley - and you can pick it up at a reasonable price - please let me know, even if I already have a copy.

This last month, I was able to pick up a personal copy of Hauntings by Peter Underwood. For the serious Borley fanatic, this is a "must add" to your library, as it goes into detail about experiences during the 1970s not fully covered in any other work. It also has a picture not displayed in any other work, one taken by Ray Armes in 1975 that may show something unusual in the foliage. I'll try to get more copies for anyone interested, but I'm not having much luck in my search. If you have an extra copy for sale, drop me a line. There is also a chapter in this book about The Petit Trianon at Versailles.

Karen Stevens has been kind enough to send a review of The Widow of Borley by Robert Wood. I sincerely appreciate her perspective, as I am way too close to the issue to be objective. Copies are available through ghostbooks.com
"What bothers me about this book, Vince, is the author's reliance on the statements of Ian, whom he admits hated and despised Marianne. Also his reluctance to quote sources. "It's known that," and "it's alleged" are simply unacceptable. His tone is vindictive and judgmental; he convicts without solid evidence.
"On the other hand, he does point out some historical facts that the Borley legend conveniently ignores: a tunnel 8 miles long is unthinkable; coaches did not exist in medieval times; and there is no solid evidence of a monastic establishment of any kind at Borley.
"Believers in the Borley legend will be outraged by this book. Disbelievers will undoubtedly cheer. And the debate will go on, and on....
"I'm not surprised that Trevor Hall [who did the research for the book] didn't dare publish his report while he was still alive. Even if most of it were true, it would have caused a tremendous furor. And your mother could probably have sued him.
"I didn't find his book totally convincing, but if you know that the marriage certificates do exist, then at least the bigamous marriages may be a fact. I've heard of similar things happening even now, when one partner is in a nursing home, perhaps with Alzheimer's, and the other spouse takes up with someone else.
"Marianne sounds like she would have been a terrific actress if she'd had the chance, someone who could have led a Bohemian life style without causing much comment. She must have been an interesting person, even if you did not get along well until the very end of her life.
"I found his supposition that Lionel was asked to leave one of his posts in Canada rather unconvincing, since he admits there is no proof. In fact, he fleshes out the few facts with an awful lot of supposition. Too much, for a good investigative reporter.
"This book obviously hurts you and I'm sorry about that. You need to keep reminding yourself, however, that even if Marianne did marry bigamously, even if she was guilty of some of the other things he accuses her of, she changed in her later life. Friends in Wisconsin thought highly of her. And she loved you very much, Vince.
"Whether his accusations are true or not (and we'll never know), the really important part is the very last paragraph, where Marianne writes that she's not the same person she had been twenty years before, and that she doesn't want any lingering effects from Borley to harm the son she loves so much. You, Vince. Remember that."
Karen Stevens

Hello,
"If the author does not back up his book and avoids talking to you it must be trash."
Carmen Hutchinson
[I was in communication with Robert Wood, but he soon disappeared from the face of the earth.]


Collectibles

Is it "collectables" or "collectibles?" Whichever you prefer, I am always interested in collecting whatever I can find about Borley. Bob Richardson told me about a bank that was going to offer a memento of the fire, and I am still working on getting one. In the meantime, I am going to be creating a series of collectibles for BORLEY GHOST SOCIETY members. The first offering will probably be a limited number mug or maybe a pen. Either one will have the name of the Society on it. Let me know what you have found, or what you would like the Society to create.

Letters to the editor

Hello Vincent;
"My son's girlfriend's brother has moved into one of the bungalows which are built on the site of the old Rectory. I have requested that he write down any phenomena that he or his wife witness. So far, Andrew has not experienced anything out of the ordinary. However, as he has only been living there for a short while, it may take time to 'kick in'. He has not yet got an Internet address, but is thinking of becoming 'webbed' during the next few weeks. If anything occurs, I shall let you know.
[AWESOME! This must be the one closest to the cottage (the old stables). An old gent was living there, and I hoped to succeed him some day. I could never get the arrangements figured out, and it seemed ghoulish to keep an eye on the resident. Is the brother on the Internet, by any chance? Can you please give him my address as he may be more willing to talk about Borley than older residents who have been pestered to death?]
"Sharon (Brian's girlfriend) lives in Bures, which is/was associated with the Borley story. Contrary to what has been written previously on Bures, a monastery DID actually exist in the locality, and it's ruins can be visited. It is sited on St Edmund's Lane, Bures.
"I have been reading a good book on the Borley story entitled The Enigma Of Borley by Ivan Banks. It is a down-to-earth portrayal of all incumbencies, without the lies and untrue stories which have previously been written. I especially liked reading about the Foyster residency, and it echoed my own ideas of Marianne's psychic abilities, against those who would damage her reputation, which is grossly unfair. I am sure that you know of the book.
[This book is for sale from my other site, www.ghostbooks.com]
"Regarding The Widow of Borley, I believe that Robert Wood did not bring Marianne's case into a fair light (neither did Price for that matter) but he did not show sympathy towards the Bull sisters either, whereas I believe Price actually 'courted' the sisters in order to solicit more mischief against Marianne.
"Something else you might like to know - Trevor H Hall (The Haunting Of Borley Rectory) has been discredited as an author, after it was proved that HE 'lied through his teeth' about certain aspects of his own life! [This book is for sale from my other site, www.ghostbooks.com]
"Regarding the ghost photograph taken of a head behind a gravestone in Borley churchyard. I am not sure that this is Harry Price More likely, it could be HDE Bull, as the photo resembles pictures of old Bull.
"Best wishes,
Patsy

Dear Neil [Purling];
"Indeed, the Bull Hotel at Long Melford still exists and I can highly recommend it. Especially room no. 4 is know to be haunted. I spent in the 1990's a night in this room and another night in the adjacent room. On both occasions I was able to record some unexplained sounds in room no. 4. Also the staff of the Bull Hotel are quite aware of some strange happenings in this very old building.
Andreas Trottmann
Switzerland
(SPR full member)


Conjuring Up Philip

I have been told David Ambrose used the theme of Conjuring Up Philip for his bestseller "Superstition." I've done my best to conjure up some copies of this book for Associates, but no luck so far, and believe me, I have tried! If you trip over a copy, please grab it, and I'll settle with you later!

Edward Bulwer-Lytton

In the last issue, I mentioned the posting of portions of the Elsie Bull diary. A few days later, I found a sample of the writing style of Edward Bulwer-Lytton in an anthology titled Literature of the Supernatural.

Mrs. Baines efforts

All the surviving pages of the Mrs. Cecil Baines notes for the third Borley book have been posted.

American Dreamer provides link

American Dreamer - Independent Filmworks, Inc. - has linked to the main web site. It took me a while to dig around the site to find www.borleyrectory.com, but it is located in the section where film makers are advised this is, "A virtual literary club and library reading room. This is where you can come to do your research." I am honored to be among the very few chosen for this special library. I only hope that any film maker who "borrows" information from the site will give proper credit. Film makers are notorious for being "absent-minded" when it comes time to site sources. There is an award that goes with this, but I stopped posting such things long ago because it was embarrassing, and because I discovered the awarding web sites don't always stay current.

Lucky 13 from Peter Underwood

Peter Underwood has mentioned Borley 13 times in his various books. I've updated his profile and his portion of the bibliography accordingly. If you run across any of these titles at a price I can afford, please let me know.

Web sites

Due to increasing drains on my health, and because of the enormous amount of time devoted to Borley, I have resigned from www.suite101.com
Of course, I am still interested on in any web site dealing with Borley and hope Associates will pass along any such information. Thanks.

Things I've tried to Teach My Children

Inspired by the posthumous book by my mother, Things My Mother Tried to Teach Me, I've gone the next step by formulating my own work. Things I've Tried to Teach My Children carries on the tradition. While working on my own version, I added quite a few pages to my Mother's original. Her complete work has never been available on the Internet before. Let me know what you think.

Tornado?

Mr. O'Neil;
"My Grandma was shocked to see on the news that there had been a small tornado in Sudbury, next door to Borley, and it also uncovered a tunnel! Do you know anything about it?"
Joseph Olding (via Adam Gallagher)

Vince;
Never heard of a tunnel but, from what I have read I would guess there was one. Could it have been used in the days of the nuns? Did it connect to the river/stream? This might explain something.
Richard Senate

Vince;
"Yes we have experienced some very unusual weather here in England over the past year . I t is truly amazing what the elements can uncover. There are many tunnels and underground passageways. Some date back to the time when it was not wise to be an English Catholic. Priests were smuggled in and out of via these tunnels. Other tunnels were used by the smugglers. Some of the big estates have many fascinating stories and secrets that are still being uncovered."
Maureen Brooks

Dear Vince,
"I have not received any news that a small tornado has occurred in Borley/surrounding villages. My son's girlfriend lives close to Borley, and has not told us of anything like this freak of nature happening there.
"As for the tunnels - it does not surprise me that tunnels may exist in Borley, as these tunnels were quite common links between churches and 'safe Catholic houses' during the Reformation; priests could walk unseen between the two without the fear of execution. Borley was once a Catholic stronghold, note the Waldegraves...."
Patricia Langley

To Danny Guess;
"There were a number of small ( by US standards ) tornadoes around on Tuesday this week, the 13th April. We had some reports of these over Norfolk, Suffolk and Essex. Sudbury is in mid Suffolk. Apparently a dog was elevated within its kennel, at least that's what I heard. It did make a number of UK papers, but no doubt the fullest account would have been in the East Anglian Daily Times, the regional daily paper printed in Ipswich. I am sure they could tell you all about it. Their telephone number is: 01473 230023 within the UK and +44 1473 230023 from abroad.
E-mail: EADTEditor@ecn.co.uk
"I hope this helps."
Regards
Derek Hardy
( Enquiries Officer )
UK Met. Office

[My inquiry via e-mail went unanswered.]

[My mother was constantly urging Ian to not explore the tunnels. She was afraid they would collapse on him. There was a theory the tunnels connected the monastery to the nunnery in Bures. There was another theory that there was a tunnel between the rectory and the church, which could double as a "priest's hole" in time of persecution. A rumor that a tunnel extended out of the side of one of the wells was dispelled by James Turner, but perpetuated by Terrance Dicks in his children's book The Borley Rectory Incident.]

Mr. O'Neil;
" I am so sorry. As my grandma has bad hearing she was mistaken on what she heard on the news. We saw in the Daily Mail the day after that it had actually brought up a kennel, and not a tunnel.
Joseph Olding

[Not a problem, Joseph. You were alert to a potential story about Borley, and we all appreciate your thoughtfulness very much. Keep up the good work!]


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