CHAPTER NINE

Characteristics

Man stands as in the centre of Nature; his fraction of Time encircled by Eternity, his handbreadth of Space encircled by Infinitude: how shall he forbear asking himself, What am I; and Whence; and Whither? How too, except in slight partial hints, in kind asseverations and assurances, such as a mother quiets her fretfully inquisitive child with, shall he get answer to such inquiries?
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Nevertheless, doubt as we will, man is actually Here; not to ask questions, but to do work: in this time, as in all times, it must be the heaviest evil for him, if his faculty of Action lie dormant, and only that of sceptical Inquiry exert itself. Accordingly whoever looks abroad upon the world, comparing the Past with the Present, may find that the practical condition of man in these days is one of the saddest; burdened with miseries which are in a considerable degree peculiar. In no time was man's life what he calls a happy one; in no time can it be so. A perpetual dream there has been of Paradises, and some luxurious Lubberland, where the brooks should run wine, and the trees bend with ready-baked viands; but it was a dream merely; an impossible dream.
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Now this is specially the misery which has fallen on man in our Era. Belief, Faith has well-nigh vanished from the world. The youth on awakening in this wondrous Universe no longer finds a competent theory of its wonders. Time was, when if he asked himself, What is man, What are the duties of man? the answer stood ready written for him. But now the ancient 'ground-plan of the All' belies itself when brought into contact with reality; .....the Thinker must, in all senses, wander homeless, too often aimless, looking up to a Heaven which is dead for him, round to an Earth which is deaf.
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Truly may it be said, the Divinity has withdrawn from the Earth; or veils himself in that wide-wasting Whirlwind of a departing Era, wherein the fewest can discern his goings. Not Godhead, but an iron, ignoble circle of Necessity embraces all things; binds the youth of these times into a sluggish thrall, or else exasperates him into a rebel.

Heroic Action is paralysed; for what worth now remains unquestionable with him? Aye the fervid period when his whole nature cries aloud for Action, there is nothing sacred under whose banner he can act; the course and kind and conditions of free Action are all but undiscoverable. Doubt storms-in on him through every avenue; inquiries of the deepest, painfulest sort must be engaged with; and the invincible energy of young years waste itself in sceptical, suicidal cavillings; in passionate 'questionings of Destiny,' whereto no answer will be returned.

Characteristics - (excerpts)
by Thomas Carlyle
1831


Men of the present time testify of heaven and hell, and have never seen either; and I will say that no man knows these things without (revelation).

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 1839
Compiled by Joseph Fielding Smith
(c) 1976 Deseret Book Company
Salt Lake City, Utah


Hitchhikers Guide

......The Answer to the Great Question...Of Life, the Universe and Everything...Is...Is...Forty-two.
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For thousands more years, the mighty ships tore across the empty wastes of space and finally dived screaming on to the first planet they came across - which happened to be the Earth - where due to a terrible miscalculation of scale the entire battle fleet was accidentally swallowed by a small dog.

Those who study the complex interplay of cause and effect in the history of the Universe say this sort of thing is going on all the time, but that we are powerless to prevent it.
"It's just life," they say.
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"The History of every major Galactic Civilization tends to pass through three distinct and recognizable phases, those of Survival, Inquiry and Sophistication, otherwise known as the How, Why and Where phases.

"For instance, the first phase is characterized by the question 'How can we eat?' the second by the question 'Why do we eat?' and the third by the question 'Where shall we have lunch.'"

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
by Douglas Adams
Pocket Books, 1979


If a person is a born again Christian, they go to be with Jesus. Paul said that to be absent from the body was to be with Christ.
If a person is a sinner, then they will remain in the grave until the judgement.
Christians will not be judged. We will be rewarded, not judged. Some will receive more than others, but it will still be rewards.
I really don't know what the next life will have in store. To me, my mind is not capable of even imagining what glories God has in store for us. I am too limited in my human capacities to comprehend. But, I do know it will be fantastic, whatever it may be.
So many (so-called Christians) want God, but only if they can have him their own way. Surprise, I just keep telling them that they gotta do it Christ's way, or not at all.

"Cobra"
Dove BBS systems operator
Utah


I believe in resurrection and in Christ. I believe the ancients guide us in many ways. Our antepasados, or dead relatives, are just in another dimension.
My mother went there and back - she was clinically dead for three hours and made it back. She became very ill during childbirth. My sister was premature and those days were deadly to both mother and baby.
She recounts the journey to another dimension where she followed a bright light. She recognized several people whom I call antepasados. The Chinese call them "The Ancients." I believe it is part of Isaiah's prophecy that, "he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children." (Malachi 4:6) I do not believe I communicate with the dead or my antepasados, but I feel that certain encounters and life experiences are NOT by chance, nor a karma.
I don't believe in seeking the antepasados for guidance because I believe we have the power to discern and ask for guidance through Christ. However, I think we have quite a fan section rooting us on, and they MAY influence us through the Spirit.
Some things are meant to be, but you do still have a choice. There is more to a lot of life than chance. Of course, I believe there IS a lot of chance or fate. Did you see the last Star Trek (the Next Generation)? Warf gets caught in a rift in the Time Space Continuim. THAT is what I have been thinking for years. We are faced with infinite choices each moment in time. Those choices, and the choices of others, including those (who have) passed on, affect our very existance. One never knows IF each simple choice will affect our very being. I believe even simple rudimentary choices lay the foundation for the existence of possibly every creature in this time and space or dimension. Ultimately, you make the best choice you can and live with it.
That is why I think suicide causes a "warp" or a "rift" in the time/space continuim. Imagine the rift you would cause if you were supposed to bring a child to earth and took your life before it happened. What becomes of that life? Or what if you take life? Or what about freak accidents? These are puzzling questions that I try not to think about too much because they are too complex in this life.
I believe in the Mormon doctrine of a temporary state (after we die). This is also a belief of some non-Christians and some Christians alike.
Resurrection was probably taught to some of the Indians. Many American tribes believe in returning as the same person. I think reincarnation defeats the purpose of "being." Each individual retains identity in resurrection. That is important in order to complete the life cycle. I just can't agree with reincarnation on any terms. It sure defeats your individuality.
I am a Spanish liguist and did serve a mission for the LDS Church, but I also did studies on other religions to gain insight to the puzzle.

Kerry Hales
Nova BBS
Utah


I get a round trip to Valhalla. Considering the number of modern pagans who have Norse patrons or belong to Norse paths like Asatru, odds are that (there will be) the classic amusements of battle without permanent consequences; food and drink; constant partying - (including) a few modern pleasures as well; gaming; various other pursuits; and of course, science fiction epics to join the new ones from the grand old skalds. If there aren't any other science fiction authors around, hey, I'll be coming up with new material.
Round trip, because reincarnation is both mentioned in Norse legend and also something I expect as a Wiccan. Valhalla is a vacation between lives. A chance to regroup without stress - a karmic reward for a life well lived. For me, (it is) a commitment to return to that path in my next life, and a chance to connect with old friends on my way back to the Wheel.
My personal opinion - which is that of only one individual as far as I know - is that people do not all go to the same afterlife. I'm fairly sure that some of the Buddhists, and others who seek nirvana, will ultimately attain that. Some Christians have a permanent ticket to a place I'd rather not be - one man's heaven is another man's hell.
While I think reincarnation is common, I do not think that anything is universal. I accept the experiences and beliefs of others at their word, and give mine honestly.
My own perception is that the soul is...consciousness that does reincarnate (the amount of memories I have is staggering), and [it] retains a general personality type even though it may migrate through gender, culture, etc. quite a bit.
Not all my incarnations have been human - as a cat I had a magical bent and wound up as the housecat of a 17th century witch who did NOT get burned, in part because I warned of anything negative coming down the road. It also helped that she was, and is, an extremely warm, lovable human being. I know her in this life. The first time I met her, I plopped down in front of her at a party and she started rubbing my back and I found myself purring. We figured we knew each other in past lives, but only figured out which one through exchanging cross information after I did a meditation. [I] remembered what it was like to be Tomkin and described it to her - whereupon she also remembered me, down to the name and some nicknames.
Souls individuate. Souls have boundries. Some people on some paths migrate toward a cosmic One, or some [toward] nirvana awareness in which identity is dissolved in a general awareness of the Web of Life. Many don't [migrate]. We all take different paths. [These paths] don't [nor ought they] lead to the same place. [Some] are migrating towards a center and toward a root awareness of all life on Earth (and who knows where else?), while others move out toward greater differentiation.
I am 39 years old, male, bisexual and primarily gay. I am self employed at a variety of odd jobs including artist, costume tailor, craftsman, house cleaner, Tarot reader, and whatever else that I know how to do.
I am a science fiction writer who at this moment has completed one novel, is in the middle of a second draft of a more serious novel, and has several others "on the pot" at various stages of completion.
Who I'll be the next time around is anybody's guess - but he'll be Odinist in some way!
My religious affiliation is Wiccan eclectic, with Odin and Hecate as my patron God and Goddess, plus several other personal dieties who've taken an active interest in helping me.
My other religious affiliation - which by no menas contradicts any of the above - is Unitarian Universalist. Both my pagan and U.U. background strongly emphasize respect for other people's gods and ways of spirituality. I have friends who are athiest, agnostic, Christian, pagan, and various oriental religions. In Chicago (I) hung about with a few black Moslems. I recognize and respect spirituality in all its forms.

"Ironwolf Odinnson"
The Guild BBS
New Orleans, Louisiana


A point (to Ironwolf Odinnson): Buddhists do not all seek Nirvana after death. It depends on whether the person is a Hinayana or a Mahayana style Buddhist.
Hinayana (also know as "Small Boat" or "Lesser Vehicle") Buddhists attempt to purify themselves to such an extent that they will attain Nirvana, which they believe to be a place.
Mahayana ("Big Boat" or "Greater Vehicle") Buddhists tend to believe that there is no such place as Nirvana, and therefore do not strive for it. This group of Buddhists tend to believe a variety of things happen to the soul after death.
Tibetan Buddhists really belong in a group by themselves, as their religion contains a great deal of the pre-Buddhist "Bon" nature religion that the Tibetans originally followed. They believe that Nirvana is one place among many places the soul may go after death. See the Tibetan Book of the Dead for more details.
Part of the vow of a Bodhisattva is to forego the pleasures of Nirvana in order to return to earth "to bring every sentient being to enlightenment."
In any case, I just wanted to clarify a very minor point in your other wise excellent post.

To Heaven's Gate [Vincent O'Neil]: I don't think "Heaven" - if there is one - will be anything like what anyone expects.
I'm not even sure that there is a Heaven. Maybe death will be all and enough.
If there is a Heaven, and if I'm entitled to it, I would like it to be in one of two different forms:
1) A boundless source of energy into which I dissolve, loosing ego, personality, and all sense of "self," and remaining in that energy as a part of (it) forever.
2) Lying on my back in a green field with birds singing overhead from a tree, doing nothing but listening.

Those people who need a heaven, or who want a heaven, will recieve one that fits their desires. Whether or not they will become tired of it after a few million years is another thing entirely.

I am about as Buddhist as I can get right now. The pure Buddhist teaching on all afterlife philosophies is "I don't know." Many Buddhists believe there is nothing after death. Many also believe they dissolve, after death, into the "body of the Buddah" - that is to say, the original energy source that creates, maintains, and takes back to itself all life.

I don't think that any speculation on heaven is as important as what one does with THIS life in the HERE and NOW. When I was hanging out in the Christian church I heard a minister say of one overly-devout person, "He's so heavenly-minded that he's no earthly good." Many people who live their religious lives in hope of heaven are often like this; they are completely impratical and plan for nothing except their eternal reward, forgetting that life on earth is as important.
I dislike any philosophy that uses heaven as a "carrot on a stick" idea. That is, any religion that says, "Do thus and so, and you'll get to heaven," is simply using the idea as bait to make followers do what the church leaders say they should do. The qualifications for getting into heaven vary from faction to faction within each religion. This becomes a way to manipulate people, and I don't buy that at all. That is part of the reason why I find it hard to believe sometimes in heaven or in an afterlife.

It is perfectly possible for the brain to provide some [paranormal and psychic] experiences for us. Experiences that could be put down to a burst of endorphin, or a synapse here or there shorting out (as it were). However, there are odd experiences that do not fit into the overall scheme of things. Sometimes these things happen to more than one person. Skeptics enjoy calling these things "mass hallucinations," and on occassion they are. But some unexplained phenomena remain completely unexplained, no matter how you approach them.
For example, if you read Raymond Moody's "Life After Life," a number of near-death or after-death experiences are related by people who have died or came near to dying. The things they experience are remarkably similar, and yet no known combination of chemicals in the brain can set off exactly that same experience. Yet, all these people, who came from completely different backgrounds, had the same experience. Strangely enough, if one reads the Tibetan Book of the Dead, these same experiences that 20th century Americans had are related in detail - by Tibetans who wrote over 1,000 years ago.
If the hereafter [is] "wish fullfillment," then heaven ends when the brain dies. As humans, we would never know, and so overall it would hardly make any difference. However, it seems odd that all humans in all cultures would have this same "wish," just expressed in different ways, doesn't it? It entirely depends upon one's religious views as to whether one believes that heaven is "real" or not.

Some religions like Christianity, of course, say that the individual retains his/her individuality after death. I am not so sure about that. My personal desire is to disolve into the Godhead, also known as the Ground of Being, Nirvana, etc.; to return to the Source from which I came.

Happy Dog Potatohead
The Guild BBS
New Orleans, Louisiana


Heaven would have peace, no killing, and no raping and no murders. Heaven means to me eternal peace in everybody.
Heaven means to me to see the old ways, the way they were: to learn more why you are (here). To learn more about the person.
Heaven means to me, love and wisdom: where everybody loves each other and is very smart. But the smartest of all is our Lord Jesus Christ our Lord.

Steven A. Cantrell
as told to Andrew T. Wilson
Elizabeth Cashwell School
Pot of Gold BBS
Fayetteville, North Carolina


[Where will we be 1,000,000 years from now?] Oh, that's simple. We'll be in aproximately the same place, depending on how much variance there is in the earth's orbit.
When a persons matabolic activity stops, their tissues begin to break down and be consumed by bacteria. This changes the matter that made up the person into another state - bacteria and bacterial waste products.
Human beings are a series of complex chemical reactions similar to a common housefly and not much else - except they are self-aware.
A person can believe otherwise, but that also requires believing in something that you can't see or touch, or obsevre the effects of - in a word, Faith. I have no faith.

John Bennett
Lufkin, Texas
Planet X BBS


My spirit has withdrawn itself,
To climb into eternity,
Because Jesus' love has moved me,
To flee this perishable life
No lust - am I aware of,
Only to follow the footsteps of Jesus
As a new creature.

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They will be guided wonderfully
By the spirit of Christ to inner ground,
With power and virtue decorated,
That therefrom overflowed one's mouth;
The spirit nectar - is so tasty
That all external things dissolve,
When the spirit leads within.

There they will hear the gentle whisper.
Where God Himself speaks in their souls,
Here all storms must be quieted,
Otherwise they cannot hear the voices
Of the gentle air - which so lovingly beckons
The souls to holiness,
To the unfolding glory of the Lord.

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Then the soul descends in humility,
Its face covered and disguised;
But the love of Jesus gives it strength again,
Now it can view life's light
Raises up - in beauty,
And sings songs of praise to the Creator
With extraordinary melodies.

Soon again it descends into tranquility,
And lays down in God's lap,
There enjoys the fulness
Of God, oh! secret great,
When God so plays - with His own image,
To the souls so presents Himself,
While he loves them all in Christ.

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Be ready, and make yourself glorious,
The King himself will bejewel you;
He wants to make you thus devout,
If only you won't look back,
And arm yourself - in all your splendid armour
With faith, courage and bravery,
In love and justice.

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See, beloved, so you must enjoin yourselves,
And daily walk in radiance,
And none except for Jesus love,
So you can before him stand,
And enter with one - full holy pure
His great banquet
With the holy brides elect.

Michael Wohlfahrt
community of Ephrata, Pennsylvania
1732-1812

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