28 May 2001 | BGS Newsletter | Issue 34 |
Welcome to the thirty-fourth edition of the Borley
Ghost Society Newsletter. In the United States, today is Memorial Day, a time set
aside to recognize the contributions and sacrifices of those who have gone before. It seems
fitting, therefore, that as of this date, and until further
notice, 100 percent of all dues collected by the Society will be dedicated to the Church
Preservation Fund. Over time, the percentage donated will become 50 percent, as funds are still
needed to keep the web site - and therefore the Society - in operation. All associates - especially
those whose status is "honorary" - are encouraged to visit the Invitation page of the
web
site and donate as much as can comfortably be done. This can be done with a credit card, or by
making contributions directly to: The Revd. Captain Brian A. Sampson, C.A., The Rectory,
Foxearth, Sudbury, Suffolk CO10 - 7JG, England.
My concern began in 1997 when I visted the Church. I was "haunted" by the recurring visions of the broken tombstones in the back corner of the church yard. When I attended services on Sunday, I noticed how few patrons there were to support this marvelous, historical location. I felt there was little I could do from so far away, but was still bothered by the obvious need. The decision to help was made as a result of a great deal of thought over the last few years. I was encouraged by the similar concern of Birgit Brenner. She asked what could be done in Newsletter 33. The clincher came while pondering the following exchange over the last few weeks. . . . .
My uncle has something of interest to you, about 15 years ago we were in the local
papers over a
haunting that we investigating in Winchester. In the article it was mentioned that we were going
up to Borley as well and an old lady from Botley Hampshire contacted us telling us of an
experience she had there, anyway we went over to the old lady's house and she told us that when
she was a young woman she stayed at Borley manor, it was there she saw the ghost of a nun in
one of the bedrooms! We found this interesting because we knew there was sightings on rectory
site, the roadway and even the church yard but never the manor. As with all interviews we have
done we always ( with their permission ) recorded them so if your interested in a copy of either
the old lady or the Jeffery Groom Hollingsworth [sic] interview we would be
pleased to send them to you.
Do you know if there has been any paranormal activity at Borley village hall? I've had the idea of
going to up to Borley with a team of four - two up at the church and two
down at the village hall where we could stick one of our matchstick mics though the key hole or
letter box and record and monitor, with both teams in walkie talkie contact. Personally I've never
heard of any strange goings on there and as far as I know no ones tried recording there but it's
got to be worth a try! Exciting isn't it! ?
I've recently made a web page on recordings at Borley Church . . . .
Darren Jarvis
[Your mini-disks have been returned. I was unable to transfer them to any US format. Please
accept my sincere apology for creating some confusion regarding your efforts. In my enthusiasm
for gathering all possible data and memorabilia relative to the alleged haunting of Borley Rectory,
it seemed important to collect a copy of the previously existing audio tapes from your files. I was
particularly anxious to compare them with the Denny Densham/Geoffrey Croom-Hollingsworth
tapes from 1974 - copies of which I already have. Your interview with the lady from Botley
Hampshire would still make an excellent addition to the Borley Bibliography. As the web
site generates dozens of communications daily, it is often confusing to keep track of every detail
writers share with me, and I must apologize for any misunderstanding created by my rapid but
incomplete response. I neither encourage, condone, or support any on-going effort to
surreptitiously create additional tape or video recordings. As stated in the invitation to join the
Society, "It is not the purpose of the Society to cause undue hardship, embarrassment, or
discomfort to the present residents of Borley. Their rights and serenities will not be disrupted by
any member of the Society. Such residents will be treated with the same dignity in which
Associates of the Society would wish to be treated." In addition, please refer to my appeal to all visitors. Again, please excuse
any confusion my previous messages may have created.]
I was delighted by Joseph's Contribution. He is
quite right about Trevor, of
course. I spoke to Trevor about his academic style. It was tongue-in-cheek
for the 'Higher criticism' stuff. but he was an extremely well informed man,
and perfectly capable of genuine erudition. He chose to train as a surveyor
straight from school rather than go the university route. This was perfectly
common practice at the time, and he never felt that he lost anything from
doing so. He was a high-achiever in school, and later on. He was quite used
to standing up to the academics. A remarkable thing about Trevor was that he
was knowlegeable on so many subjects. He was extraordinarily well-read, and
wore his knowledge lightly, with none of the snobbishness one sees in the
professional academic. He also had the satisfaction of achieving prosperity
from his sheer ability in his work for the Building society.
Andrew Clarke
I am writing about Borley Rectory and I can't find hardly anything to help
me on the Internet. I want to write everything about it.
WHITEK
My name is Nathan Paltridge and I am 15 turning 16 in
June. I go to Craigslea State High in Brisbane Australia. After first viewing the Borley rectory
site at the age of 11, I fell in love with the paranormal. Now 5 years later I wish to make my own
web site. But first I would like to obtain your permission to use some of the pictures of the porley
rectory web site. would be greatly over joyed if you let me. I will put your site in my links page
and your site will advertised around my site. Hopeful one day my site will as wonderful and well
known as yours. Currently me site is under construction but once i am finished i will send you
the address as i would value your opinon.
sincerely
Nathan Paltridge
[Thank you for your interest. Whilst it is impossible to respond at length to the great number of inquiries received, I have prepared some information that may help you. Many students from all over the globe write for help, but I do not have the time to do the individual research for them, nor to write the papers for each student. Much of the material they request is available on the web site, if the student will do the research. Much of the text and photographs on my web site have been "hacked" and stolen. This necessitates certain controls, including a copyright notice on every page. Additionally, I have had to restrict access to the pages about my mother and the Bull family to associates of the BORLEY GHOST SOCIETY. A new feature has been added to the web site to answer your request, and you will find the link at the bottom of the "home" page. Look for the sentence that reads, "In compliance with international copyright laws, no extended quotes may be taken from this posted material. Short references, with appropriate copyright credit, are acceptable. No photos or graphics may be reproduced in any form. Where applicable, the appropriate Internet link is requested. Copies of printed or posted articles are requested for review, and for listing in the Borley Bibliography. A Borley Rectory Report Guide is avilable to help those writing about the subject." Good luck with your project, and please keep me posted on your progress!]
Vincent O'Neil gave an excellent presentation on the famous Borley Rectory haunting
on Saturday and is now on this [mailing] list. Below is a link to him and his website. Welcome
Vincent!
Alan Meyer
I will be undertaking my first full year in the university of Glamorgan, Pontypridd in
September.
One of the modules I'll be taking is creative writing and am really interested in writing a short
story (with the possibility of extending on it in a later module) about the borley rectory I was
wondering if you could recommend any sites, names which I could use to research the subject a
bit more in-depth. I wish to mix fact and fiction but would still like to know a little more about
Harry Price, his origins, how he was exposed as a fake and what techniques he used etc. Any help
would be highly appreciated.
Steve McElhenny
[I will be most eager to see the results of your effort. I keep a very extensive Bibliography on all
things related to Borley, with an attempt to file at least one copy of everything for future
reference. It is that very Bibliography that will help you most in your research, as it is extensively
annotated. Mine was the first web site to discuss Borley, but you may find a clue or two on some
of the other web sites. After
going through the hundreds of pages on my web site, if you have any specific questions, I will
pass them along to the associates of the BORLEY GHOST SOCIETY for
potential resolution. Keep me posted, and best of luck.]
Have you noticed the faces in the lower right window, and the upstairs left window?
Were they there when the photo was taken?
Maleficent1963@aol.com
[Thank you for your interest.
Over the years, many people have reported seeing different images within the various photographs
taken at Borley, including people in the windows. The Henry Bull family was a large one, with up
to 14 children, servants, relatives, and constant visitors. It would not be unusual to see faces at
the windows.]
Me and my family are looking for somewhere to stay for a haunted holiday. We was
wondering if this haunted house would let people say for a few days or just the weekend, if so
could you please tell me how much it cost? If its not a place for people to stay, Please could you
let me know either way.
Thanking you!
Kellie
[Thank you for your interest. There are no public accomodations at Borley - the rectory burned
down in 1939.]
The first time I have heard from the Borley Legend was between a year ago,
as my Husband tell me the Story of the House. He is a Cryptozoologican and
a "Ghostbuster" and was sometime in the German TV. Since December 2000 he
make a new Project, the Online-Magazine "Der einsame Schtze," and I wrote
some Stories for the Magazine.
Greetings from Germany
Nadine Schneider
Autor "Der einsame Schtze" Magazin
http://www.einsamer-schuetze.com
http://www.kryptozoologie.net
http://www.lonlygunmen.de
I was reading the parish program looking for the
reason Sir [Edward] Waldegrave was imprisoned in the
Tower of London. . . . [Do you] know where I could find blueprints of the old rectory. I am very
interested in the rectory and in the construction of the building itself.
Sincerely,
Gabrielle Gillespie
[Edward was imprisoned for "refusing to inform Princess Mary that Mass must not be held in her
household," and later for "holding Mass in Borley Hall." Whilst no blueprints per se have
survived to my knowledge, the late Ivan Banks did an excellent job of recreating the original
sketches of the layout found in the original Harry Price books. Additionally, he created terrific
elevation sketches. These are found in his work, The Enigma of Borley Rectory.]
I'm looking for a copy of the book, We Faked the Ghosts of Borley Rectory.
Do you happen to know where I can get a copy of it? I wanted to write part of my essay on how
the hauntings were faked. Or at least how they said they were faked. . . . I know that not
everything he said was accepted be everyone. I did research that part also. It's actually very
interesting. Thanks for the extra info. I'll also send you pictures of my [rectory] replica if you
would like.
Kiara Raye
[Absolutely! I'll even post the pictures on the web - with your name! You don't have to, but I
would humbly ask that you balance what Mayerling has written with the responses it has generated from
others. Either way, I will be very interested to read your finished report!]
You don't know me but I have read up on the article on the rectory and it is very
interesting and thought this might be interesting for you.
One Halloween year me and some friends thought it would be good fun to go to the most haunted
place in Britain to see if ghosts do exist, and I must say it was very scary to say the least but I can
honestly say I have never felt that kind of presence before like a soft blow of wind through your
hair and it was very cold and windy that night I remember, yet it seemed calm and quiet once on
the land.
Anyway me and friend decided to get out of the car first and were the only ones to get out, now
this only lasted for a few moments but it seemed like forever we both stood still not having
walked 5 meteres from the car and thats when we felt a calm breeze not hard like the wind was
that night and a dead silence, and then we saw a light in the field I believe there corn fields I think
the grass was high anyway, and this was shaped round like a bycicle light which is what we
thought it was but then it was bobbing up and down no bike could be doing what we were seeing
and it was getting faster and closer the closer it got the more obvious there was nothing attached
to this light. We ran as fast as we could and out of there as fast as we could and to this day I
don't know what I saw.
Anyway I hope this may help towards your research in the future, and if not it was nice sharing
that story with someone who might actually believe me.
Thanks and good luck
Jaime Dowler
I believe the fire started because the Borleys
had their doubts on the ghosts or spirits. I have had tinglings
on my neck and turn to find a cloud of smoke with a mysterious face.
The Borleys are truly haunted house guests.
Tony & Cathy Gerardi
I am sad that i found your home page as it has cheapened the image of the
story of borley which i have known since i was small. i think less
inappropriate meaningless chatter about your and marianne's relationship
would improve the page beyond measure. i can't help but sense a certain
paranoia in the fact that you have gone to such lengths to prove your
mother's love for you . . . most people couldn't care which way or the
other. and, why on earth didn't you know about the whole thing until after
your mother had passed? i get the feeling that you are trying to use your
new found "importance" to make financial gain out of one of the worlds most
famous ghost stories. just leave the story alone - you weren't even there to
experience any of it! the last thing the legend needs is a hyped-up
american version . . . the next thing to really destroy the story will be a
movie version, i'm quite sure that you'll claim rights to that too!
extremely disappointed
abijah
[Thank you for taking time to get in touch. I sincerely appreciate your input, and would like to
hear about your connections to Borley. I've tried to place the personal information at the bottom
of the page - not prominently - for that very reason, to keep it available but less apparent. The
more personal information is only accessed by clicking through to secondary pages, and of the
hundreds of pages on the web site, there are only a handful about our relationship in the main
section of the site. As with any web site, visitors can pick and choose the pages they wish to
spend time reading, and those they don't care to read, just like a magazine. Yes,
there IS a great deal of paranoia associated with different aspects of my research, and at the
bottom of this message, I'll explain just SOME of the reasons. My mother never told me about
Borley because she was VERY upset at the publicity and the people chasing her from pillar to
post. She didn't tell anyone! I am indeed sorry you feel I am in it for the money, as that is NOT
my intention. As I say on the BORLEY GHOST SOCIETY page, "The Society and related
Internet pages are a non-commercial, non-profit venture. Society dues are used to help offset the
cost of computer work, maintaining Internet web pages, printing and mailing. There are a number
of honorary Society associates who do not have Internet access and who receive printed copies of
newsletters and related information." All of this research came about as the result of my searching
for my roots, and started with me asking the question, "Who am I?" It grew from there. Again,
visitors who are not interested in the personal side of the story have the choice to not visit those
pages. Perhaps you might be interested in the following message I
sent to another Internet visitor to the web site, and I extend the same invitation to you that I did
to him. Please feel free to write again. - "I am indeed sorry this has caused problems, but I ask
you to please look at it from my viewpoint. . . . . . . Thank you very much for letting me know of
your concern." More
detailed response. ]
Oh boy, do I ever like this site. [Includes links to
world time zones, currency conversion, web site translations, reference materials, genealogy,
phone books, quotations, zip codes, and LOTS more!]
William Vicars
I can advise that the reissued edition of [The Enigma of Borley Rectory by Ivan
Banks] is the same edition as originally published, with a few grammatical corrections. I am not
aware that we have remaindered any stock of this book; the edition just 'sold out'. I am indeed
aware of your interest through your mother, for I have logged on to your web site. When the
book is reissued I will let you know so that you can order stock for resale.
Yours sincerely,
Graham Kitchen,
Director
Foulsham
My name is Emma Borley and I am the last female in our Borley family.
My dad, Simon Borley has always been very proud of our name and we wish to
find out more about the Borley Rectory, we would be grateful if you could e
mail back regarding anything on the Borley name as well as this haunted
building. Thank you and good luck with your search.
Yours Sincerely,
Emma Borley
[Thank you for your note - very interesting! Perhaps you would like to join our BORLEY
GHOST SOCIETY? Here is a genealogy site
that will help you. Everything I know is posted on the web site, and I continue to add more as I
discover it. Make sure you explore the Bibliography, as it has some leads that might be helpful.]
Did you see the picture of John Bull and wife in the tower of Pentlow Church? I don't
think you have a photo of him. Our first Bull (John Bull the Elder) came to Pentlow 1760, I
believe. Our churchwarden has a better print of the old rectory. It was on the same site as the
Victorian one. There was a large lake there, which I mistook for the river. Old rectory definitely
not Pentlow Hall, but by edge of lake on site of later rectory. My goodness, it was big!
The parish magazine printed some extracts from Caroline Bull's diary last issue.
I see you're selling Ghost Books. Well, I assume it's you! It's a great site, mainly due to the huge
amount of work that's gone into it.
Andrew Clarke
[No, I have not seen any photo of the Bulls at Pentlow. How could I get a copy, please. I would
also love a copy of the print of the old rectory. I would love to add that sort of information to the
Bull genealogy page on the
web site - do you have any more? Did they reveal the source material for Caroline's diary? Does
it match with mine? With plans to publish more from time to time? Obviously, I should like
copies, and will pay for shipping and handling, etc. Would you please share with Captain
Sampson the message in the last newsletter from Brigit. She - and I - share a deep concern for
the grounds. I am willing to start a fund, with Capt. Sampson in charge of course - to be
dedicated to the "cause" of maintenance/restoration. My main goal with www.ghostbooks.com is to be a resource for those
who want Borley titles - and to acquire a few myself! It is a hobby, not a money-maker.]
My brother, brothers mate, brothers girlfriend and I recently went to explore up near the
rectory, as you will probably know, there is a field before the place where all the so-called
hauntings took place, we decided to take a dictaphone to record any paranormal activity incase
anything were to happen, we walked across this field and heard many things, (may have
just been our minds) but a few things sounded unexplainable, first when we got out of the car, we
heard big rumblings on the ground, like a big stampede of something (possibly the planes that fly
over?), this happened on a few occasions, we also heard a loud bang (?) when we got closer, we
also saw what looked to be a floating light (street lamp?), we were recording most of the time, we
all got too scared to explore any further so we went back to the car and listened to the tape, to
our surprise (this is the honest truth!) we heard 6 quiet bangs, and then (you will not believe this I
know) but we heard a whisper saying 'call in someone' and we all know that any of us did not say
this, we heard further quiet bangs and then one loud bang which we actually did hear out on
the field, on the tape we also heard horse feet coming very close to us, I know this sounds all too
fake but I promise you that once I make copies of the tape I will send one to you.
RE rewind
Thanks for the excellent latest Newsletter. I've said it before, and will
say it again, you're playing a more than pivotal role in keeping one of our
best documented hauntings in the public eye. H.P. must be raising a
celestial glass to you!
Best wishes
Richard Lee-Van den Daele
Andrew Clarke was trying out the
Google.com translation facility, especially the web page by
Nadine Schneider titled "Spukhauser eine Einfuhrung."
"Skeptiker considered the whole case suspekt and turned up the research work of Price their
nose".....The English translation.
Clarke went a bit further on the Internet, "and proving beyond doubt that the ghost was asking for pot-noodles....." The unidentified source claims, "This photo comes from my Great Aunt, Marianne Foyster, who lived in an old rectory house in Borley, Sussex. You can clearly see that the spirit was in torment and desired noodles. Marianne, give me noodles. . . .preferably chicken and noodles." I am most anxious to correspond with the great niece!
Medium
and clairvoyant Sue Knock
was asked by Debbie Watson and the Evening Star to visit Borley. Part of the report for the
January 31, 2001
edition reads:
Walking along the weaving pathway through the
graveyard, Sue remains silent.
She pauses at the side of the ageing building and turns to me, wearing an expression of
achievement.
There is a man in white. He is a large man and I think he is a vicar. I am getting the name
Thompson.
Intrigued by the apparent success, I listen as we turn to walk from the church, and Sue added:
This is a good feeling. It is not making me feel that I want to leave. I have got the names Sarah
and Louise coming in to my head. It is not sinister here at all.
Almost sensing my determined desire to find out about the Borley hauntings, she goes on.
I can see a horse and cart, and I hear the sound of the horses hooves. A man, who lived in the
rectory is telling me that this was a lot of nonsense. It was all nonsense, all of it.
Knowing that Sue is all too aware about the controversy surrounding Mayerlings claims, I am
somewhat cynical about the vision, but now suitably fired up for further ghostly investigations, we
move on to another venue as part of our whirlwind tour.
I have forwarded [your message] to Debbie Watson, who should
be in touch directly. . . . . it may amuse you to know that when we first ran the Borley Rectory
story, and I put up the link to your site, I tried "borrowing" your animated graphic of the rectory
going up in flames to illustrate our story: being foiled by your right-click "Copyright" script, I
borrowed the script
instead!
Best regards,
Semmens, Aidan
Editor/webmaster
http://www.suffolk-now.co.uk
http://www.eveningstar.co.uk
http://www.premierblues.co.uk
http://www.eadt.co.uk/
http://www.syllysuffolk.co.uk
[That is amusing! Thanks for sharing. When I started this endeavor, there was nothing about
Borley on the Internet save a genealogy page and one other page since defunct. After I "gave it
all away" dozens of pages cropped up - many stealing directly from my site - with no accreditation
whatsoever. My security plans have developed as a result. Do you have any other stories posted
on the Internet? I should very much like to add the URLs to my Bibliography.]
Fernando De Matos;
I read with a great deal of interest your
review of "We Faked the Ghosts of Borley Rectory" by Louis Mayerling. How do you feel
personally about the book?
Cheers from Vincent O'Neil
RVONeil@aol.com
Rough English translation
The Skeptic (Volume 13 Nos. 3 & 4) has a review of We Faked the Ghosts of Borley Rectory. If any associate would like to donate a copy, please let your editor know. Thank you.
Richard Hendricks has posted an online review of the Mayerling book.
Contact with Michael White is being attempted - can any associate help? There are a couple of questions surrounding his book, Weird Science. It explains away all types of paranormal phenomena, including ghosts, which "have no material form in the physical world." About Borley it says, "In recent times there have been some famous hoaxes. 'The most haunted house in England,' Borley Rectory in Essex, which burned to the ground in 1939, was supposed to be the site of some five thousand paranormal incidents during a period of a few years. It was made famous when the researcher into the paranormal, Harry Price, investigated the building and wrote a best-selling book about it called The Most Haunted House in England, published in 1940. During the 1950s the SPR investigated Price's claims and revealed that they were entirely faked." No mention of Hasting rebuttal. Source for claiming 5000 incidents not cited.
The following book has been deleted from the Bibliography. A copy was obtained, and although it is an excellent resource, it does NOT mention. Borley. Norman, Diana. Stately Ghosts of England. England: Fredrick Muller, 1963. Revised: Robin Clark Ltd., 1977. New York: Dorset Press, 1993.
Is any associate familiar with the following book? Does it mention Borley?
"Best
Evidence: An Investigative Reporter's Three-Year Quest to
Uncover the Best Scientific Evidence for Esp, Psychokinesis, Mental
Healing, Ghosts and Poltergeists, Dowsing, Mediums, Near Death
Experiences, Reincarnation and Other Impossible Phenomena That
Refuse to Disappear" by Michael Schmicker.
If you would like a profile page made especially for you, just tell me a little about yourself and attach a JPG photo to an e-mail.