24 July 2002 | BGS Newsletter | Issue 49 |
Welcome to the forty ninth edition of the Borley
Ghost Society Newsletter.
If any associates visit Borley July 28 to observe the observers, let us know what transpires!
"Ghosts in our footsteps," by Scott Cunningham and Steven D. Smith. ". . . .consider walking away from the patio of the church, for example, and then turn around and take a picture of the empty(?) space behind you."
"Search for Trevor Hall," by Harry Brown. "In the course of preparing a biographical bibliography of Trevor H. Hall, I realized early on that at some point, I would have to deal with the "Hall vs Borley" controversy, no matter how much I would like to focus the work on the two dozen books Hall wrote which were not about Borley. . . .I would appreciate communications from BGS members who have opinions concerning the (somewhat obvious) hypothesis here presented -- or who have any information concerning Trevor Hall and his work."
Cooper, Ashley. Heart of our History. Bulmer Historical Society, 1994. "500 years of village history along the Suffolk-Essex border." (Gives a very intimate portrayal of day-to-day life in the Borley neighborhood, told in the words of the people who lived it. No word of the haunting.) ** excerpts
Book courtesy of Andrew Clarke, who writes:
Ashley is a local farmer. He does a lot of lectures
round about to local history groups and local societies. I know or knew
quite a lot of the people he interviewed. Ashley has done three other books too
which I must find and send you. Quite a bit about Borley Mill (again no
hauntings).
You'll be interested to know that the famous Akenfield describes very well what life was like around here in the Bull era, although the stories came
from quite a wide area (there was an excellent film made of the book). It was based in the locality. [The author] Ronald Blythe was born in Sudbury.
It is hard to imagine now how desperate life was for the farming community,
in fact the whole east-anglian economy, in the 1920s and 1930s. This is so
well illustrated when one compares life at Borley and Pentlow rectories in
the prosperous 1860s with the gaunt and awful poverty of the 1920s and 30s.
(They depended on the Tithe for their income).
I'm really enjoying Hugh Barret's 'Early to Rise', recounting his early
farming experiences near Woodbridge. Magical stuff, sad and funny in equal
dollops. Very similar to farm life around here (well, it is less than an
hour's drive away) You'll remember that Marianne lived near there for a
while.
Does any associate remember any mention of an interview with Nik Taylor? Time frame? Was it ever published?
I have been painting Borley Rectory for hours on end now. I haven't enjoyed doing a painting this much in a very long time. I play 'ghosts' while I paint a lot as it is the most relaxing. I love it when the Borley song comes around. Staring at Borley for so many hours is absorbing. Pentlow tower is supposed to be the right color but I am wondering was the Rectory Cottage, (seen in Chris Wrights visit, photos taken 1991-1995, from your book Borely Rectory Ghosts that will not die) the same color as Borley Rectory, because it seems the windows are exactly the same and I'm guessing it was a sister building, done in the same exact style and colors. I have read the Widow of Borley and it was deeply disturbing to me. I think the writer is a bitter pill, how could a woman do all that he claims and then be completely different in the U.S. She would have to have changed entirely, which is ludicrous. I think he must be a very dark person inside himself to see someone like her in that way. On the other hand I wish I had known her, she seemed to be a complex person. . . .
In my opinion I think the house must've reacted to her in particular which is why the sudden increase in paranormal activity. She being young and Harry Bull being one of the influences in the house. I think that place has a dark side in the mix too though. I have to wonder if she didn't experience dissasociated states there under the influence of the house, which is pretty frightening, but I think it's possible. Do the other Borley writers think this may have occurred? Disassociated states. . . .are . . . . generally speaking when a person experiences a period of time with a kind of amnesia and they can be caused by great stress. But I'm only speculating regarding this happening to Marianne. I would think she could be influenced to enter one of these states and be controlled by whatever was living in that house that was causing all the disturbances, it seems reasonable to me, but it surely is speculation on my part. The problem with such a state is the person coming out of it has no memory of it. Missing time is one clue that you've been in such a state. Waking up in a place you can't account for is another.
I started to wonder what on earth Marianne made for dinner, or did she cook?
Barbara Clements
[Ah, I don't think I used the word "pink?" Ivan Banks writes; "The cottage is older than supposed - it seems to be contemporary with the old Herringham rectory, which was demolished for Henry Bull's massive pile. . . . the 1841 tithe map, and the 1839 tithe list tell us that this building was on that site before the big Rectory was built. . . " pp. 24-5. Therefore, the brick preceded my mother's house by over 20 years. Pentlow Tower, on the other hand, IS contemporary, dating to 1859, and built by the same architect. Of course, the color of the bricks in the tower would be subject to changing color in the subsequent 143 years, but I would have no idea just how much fading would have occurred. I am absolutely thrilled by your desire to get it "right." THANK YOU!!!!!! There might be a danger in asking about "other Borley writers." I should think one must rely on the original record, as any author coming at it from an historical perspective could not possibly have a "feel" for what was going on. Certainly no writer AFTER the fire could "feel" what was going on, they would just be writing about what someone else had written. That leaves - Price, Henning, Glanville, Turner, Underwood (?) . . . . . . . . . "Dissassociation" is an interesting theory, and I appreciate your explanation. It would seem logical, that if she had this happened at Borley, it would happen elsewhere. It did not, even though we were living under stress in the US as well - albeit a different type. She is surely one of the most thoroughly investigated people in the history of parapsychology, and no research has ever mentioned this "symptom," or any other - quite the contrary, her lack of physical/mental abnormalities has been part of the "evidence" used to claim she was responsible for the alleged haunting. I would think there would be some sort of "residue," but none existed. She lived until age 93 with her full facilities. Thanks for bringing forward a few more memories, which have been added to Chapter 14 of The Most Haunted Woman in England. "I did enjoy her other cooking, though, and I know Mom liked creating fancy dishes. She would cut oranges up and make delicious marmalade, or bake luscious, flaky eclairs. When I was younger, she served our eggs in egg cups with the top cut off. I bought her a mixer when I was VERY young, so I must have been used to her cooking. Even though her kitchen was a mess, she miraculously managed to pull treats out of it until just about a year before she moved to Utah. She hated messing with chickens, but that was her best dinner - we even had a RARE guest or two to the house for her roast chicken! I don't recall her ever using a recipe - although she told me repeatedly that to be a good cook, all you needed to do was follow the directions. She must have cooked frequently somewhere along the line, because she had the recipes in her head. She loved to fish - and prepared everything either one of us caught, even though she did insist I clean them! Her favorite food was pork chops - pronounced 'poke-chops' in fun."]
Very many thanks for BGS Newsletter 48 - most interesting as always. More power to your elbow!
With regard to Lee Ferris and anyone else interested in photographs pertaining to the Borley Rectory case, my extensive collection of pertinent photographs, including photos of the Rectory and garden before the fire and later, the people who lived at Borley and some visitors, Borley Church, the investigations and excavations (especially those carried out 1954-59), the surviving coach-house/cottage, broadcasting interviews, Harty Price, etc., plus maps and plans - more than 600 items in all - are now handled by the Mary Evans Picture Library at 59 Tranquil Vale, London, SE5 0BS.
Chris Page may like to know that an objective overview of "The Important Langenhoe Haunt" is the subject of Chapter 8 (38 pages) together with seven photographs in my Host of Hauntings published by Leslie Frewin in 1973, and there is an eight-page entry for Langenhoe and a photograph in my A-Z of British Ghosts, Chancellor Press 1992. The case only came to light after the death of Harry Price and I first hear dof it from the Rev. A.C. Henning when he sent me a signed copy of his Haunted Borley in 1949.
I knew Dr. C.E.M. Joad and would like to see the piece on Joad and his adventures with and without Harry Price that Harry Brown writes about.
Best always,
PETER UNDERWOOD
In the Borley picture of the fireplace with the monk's there is a clock on top of the mantle. I happen to have a clock the exact same style. It is a Seth Thomas Adamantine, the year mine was made is 1899, I'm not sure if they reproduced the same style in other years. As little as the picture is I can see the shine of the punched metal emblem on the sides that is probably the same as the one I have, this is a picture of one of these clocks.
Barbara Clements
Here are two letters and five pictures the Parish Priest,
Mr. Revd. Captain Brian A. Sampson sent to me. One picture
shows himself.
I'm very glad and proud to be in contact with him. He
seems to be a very kind man and once again I call up on
every BGS-member to contribute a little bit money to
support the Borley Church Preservation Fund.
It's for a good purpose!
Kind regards from Germany to you and all BGS-members!
Birgit Brenner
[Part of the letter from Revd. Sampson reads, "Here are the pictures I promised you. . . Borley folk are so grateful for your interest in the Church! . . . .thanks for the letter with your donation. . . You mentioned in your letter that you had always found the Church locked when you came to Borley. This is required by our insurance company, as they have paid for repairing the Church after a fire on one occasion; for new communion vessels, a broken window, a broken altar cross and a broken down door on another occasion; and a broken stained glass window on yet another occasion. We have to take their advice or they wouldn't insure us any more. . . . The Churchwarden who looks after the Church gets very fierce with visitors until she knows who they are, because they will come round at night and ask for the key! When they come in the day-time and look like they really are interested, she still insists on showing them round herself. The Police have told us never to lend the key to anyone, or to let them stay inside on their own, especially in the dark. You would be surprised how many people want to stay the night 'to talk to the ghost.' Unfortunately, it is the antics of the silly ones that spoil it for the genuine ones. . . . Brain Sampson"]
Glad to see that the site is being kept so well updated!
I was particularly glad to come across the church floorplan there. It
agrees very well with my memory of our short visit there in Aug-Sep of
1953.
The visitor book is in the same location (how wonderful it would be if
the one from 1953 could be checked to determine the exact date). I've
mo recollection, however, of seeing any stove, organ, pulpit, lecturn,
or choir area. Also, all of the natural light in the building seemed to
come from the windows on the west and north sides. (It was around noon,
and the yard on the south side of church WAS well sunlit.)
As I've mentioned before, that south yard seemed in heavy vegetation
(more in keeping with those 1947-era photos than any before or since).
Perhaps then a large boundary hedge was even obscuring much of the view
of the church and its grounds from the road proper. Considering their "troubles" with "visitors', we WERE indeed lucky that they simply let us have the key to take a self-guided tour of the church interior.
I was aged 6-1/2 during that 10-15 minute visit into Borley Church so
some things likely escaped my notice. The altar area seemed dimly lit,
even though that 1947 interior photo shows a substantial window on the
east end. There were some metal plaques on the south wall there. By contrast the much larger Long Melford church interior was very full
of light but lacked the feeling of "intimacy".
Last December I finally added this section to one of my [web] sites with a link to yours. Too bad that we didn't take our camera along that day! We went on to the churches at Long Melford and Lavenham the same
afternoon, and they were very photogenic as well.
Patrick Dyer
San Antonio, TX
Three friends and I travelled to Borley, arriving in the churchyard at 6.24pm. It struck me that this figure was also the date (i.e. 6/24) but, to be honest, that was the only "curious" thing about the trip. It was a rather warm day but there was a notable breeze, so the heat wasn't sticky or oppressive. One of my companions knew absolutely nothing about Borley; another had heard of it but had read nothing on the subject; and the third had read just a little about it. . . .On this occasion, both in daylight and at night, Borley seemed quite unlike any other time I have visited it. The atmosphere was somehow calmer and lighter. To be honest, I don't know, at this moment in time, if I shall return there again. Something tells me that either I have changed or Borley has and, therefore, perhaps it's best for me to remember the place as it was on this visit? This seems to have been a kind of closure for me. Perhaps a few ghosts - either mine or Borley's - have indeed been laid to rest.
With best wishes,
Stephen D. Smith
[Complete photo essay.]
I was wondering if u could send me some info on the paranormal! I'm asking this because I have recently gotten into the paranormal.
megan bailie
[My sole - and dedicated - interest is the alleged haunting at the former Borley Rectory, where my mother lived for five years. You will find thousands of files devoted to that study on my web site. At one time, I kept a list of links to other allegedly paranormal phenomena, but could not keep it current due to the rapid changes. Still, you might find something worthwhile on that web page. Good luck!]
My name is Heidi and I am very interested in your site. I would like to know the address and directions to get to Borley Rectory.
many thanks
Heidi
i read up on borley rectroy in a book called the a-z of british ghots and i want to know the story about the nun that wa meant to have alked borley on my birthday 28th july if ome on can please let me know if they know the story.
macca2003
[The legend of the nun is scattered thorughout the web site in various places. Please refer to FAQs, and The Locked Book.
I'm . . . . enjoying the Newsletter as much as ever. The fact that it seems to be going
from strength to strength is in no small part due to your tenacious and
enthusiastic editorship. Long may you flourish!
Richard Lee-Van den Daele
Thanks for another excellent newsletter [#47]. Coming up on number 50! Advance congratulations.
Guy Lyon Playfair
At the risk of protracting even further my theories about the effects
obtained when rain (or other moisture) and camera flashlights are brought
together:
Here is a photograph I snapped at night with my digital camera through an
open window in my house during a recent downpour of rain. I have to say that
I cannot help but notice the similarity between the effects obtained in this
picture and in other photographs on the Borley website.
I am NOT saying that rain/moisture accounts for all of the "blobs" or "orbs"
or whatever else people may call them that are seen in photographs of
Borley, but I do believe it is responsible for some and, furthermore, I
suggest that my photograph provides ample evidence and reinforcement of this
belief.
Let me state for the record that I am a believer in ghostly activity at
Borley and that I am not simply out to "debunk" the alleged phenomena there.
However, I do seek to separate the "natural" happenings from the
"supernatural" ones.
With best wishes,
Stephen D. Smith
I think it could be a relative of the bulls maybe. I dont think he could be a gost could he?
K LESPAUL MAN 45
This photo would be late Victorian/early Edwardian - so around 1880.
It would have to be late Victorian as the child would have much longer
hair.
The reason being is that in those days they used to dress up there young
children(including the boys)in dresses.
My mum works at 'the Museum of Costume' and used to work at 'the Roman
Baths' in Bath - where I live, so she knows much more than me. But I read a
lot of history books too...
I am absolutley facinated by ghosts, aliens, UFO's, Vampires and just
generally the paranormal. I plan to visit Borley quite soon after a tour of
'the Abbey Cemetary' in Bath - (I have also Been to Highgate)...
I've also had experiances with ghosts as well as my family;
Objecst flying across the room, People being pushed down stairs and I have
been 'chased' up my stairs by a ghost.
The ghost in my house seems to have calmed down now since my last
experiance.
Can you tell me how to become a member of the Borley ghost society, please?
Carmen-Jade Hillier
[This is the most frequently visited page on my web site. It sounds like you are an excellent candidate for the Society! The server is being moved, and may suffer down-time during the next few weeks. When all is connected, please visit theBorley Ghost Society web page.]
I think this site is interesting and have a great fasination for ghosts and what happened to them to cause them to stay here in thier after life.
I have a few questions I was wondering if you could answer
1) How did the fire at Borley rectory start ?
-was it deliberate?
-who was killed in it ?
Thank you for your time
J.T.Knowler
[You will find several versions of the fire inside the Background Tour. No one died, and the debate still goes on if it was intentional or not.]